-- Posted by Ultimatum at 9:06 pm on July 10, 2009 Certain parts of the bible are taken out of their intended context. Also: Christians- The old testament can't be used to call things sin. Sure, it's a good guideline to live by, and it give us more information on God, but it's not our covenant. It's the old covenant for the jews, but when they broke it, it was no longer a... well... a covenant. It didn't matter. God made a new covenant with us, that he delivered through the new testament. Just think... If we still lived by old testament standards, we wouldn't eat pork, we'd all be circumcised, stuff like that. Understand what I mean? Okay. Rebuttal?  If I'm wrong, I'd like to learn? (Note- Yes, I realize that the old testament is made up of several covenants, not just one. It's just easier to make a point by making it a whole.) -- Posted by cum funnel at 9:08 pm on July 10, 2009 the old testament seems a lot smarter than the new testament. -- Posted by Stormblazer at 9:13 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from sperm at 10:08 pm on July 10, 2009 the old testament seems a lot smarter than the new testament. Erm... Have you READ it? -- Posted by cum funnel at 9:15 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Stormblazer at 9:13 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from sperm at 10:08 pm on July 10, 2009 the old testament seems a lot smarter than the new testament. Erm... Have you READ it? comes off as more metaphorical to me than the new testament. want to fight with me about it or something? they are both bullshit anyway. -- Posted by Stormblazer at 9:27 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from sperm at 10:15 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Stormblazer at 9:13 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from sperm at 10:08 pm on July 10, 2009 the old testament seems a lot smarter than the new testament. Erm... Have you READ it? comes off as more metaphorical to me than the new testament. want to fight with me about it or something? they are both bullshit anyway. The new testament parables are generally far more useful as metaphors than those of the old testament. The old testament has a lot more junk (ie Leviticus) as well. I don't believe in God nor the bible as truth either way, no need to get upset about it. -- Posted by cum funnel at 9:31 pm on July 10, 2009 oh no we have differing opinions -- Posted by Aristocrat at 9:52 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Stormblazer at 9:27 pm on July 10, 2009 The old testament has a lot more junk (ie Leviticus) as well. Are you kidding me? Leviticus, Romans, Genesis and Corinthians are among the best and most respected verses in the Bible that refute the despicable of some of the abnormality of the hot issue topics.  Without those verses the Bible could have being no guidance to Christianity if not completely. You must admit and give some credit where it is due at least. -- Posted by TigressaLynnMae at 9:19 am on July 11, 2009 Leviticus, Romans, Genesis and Corinthians are among the best and most respected verses in the Bible that refute the despicable of some of the abnormality of the hot issue topics. You really are an ignorant fool. -- Posted by theyareAs at 10:05 am on July 11, 2009 The Bible is hypocritical in all forms of context and content, a book cant bring you happiness or tell you what to do with your life. Leaving your will in the hands of a mythically powered book is just inresponsible. -- Posted by Shogun villimax at 11:13 am on July 11, 2009 Quote: from icantthinkofaname at 9:06 pm on July 10, 2009 Certain parts of the bible are taken out of their intended context.  Also:  Christians- The old testament can't be used to call things sin.  Sure, it's a good guideline to live by, and it give us more information on God, but it's not our covenant.  It's the old covenant for the jews, but when they broke it, it was no longer a... well... a covenant.  It didn't matter.  God made a new covenant with us, that he delivered through the new testament.  Just think... If we still lived by old testament standards, we wouldn't eat pork, we'd all be circumcised, stuff like that.  Understand what I mean?   Okay.  Rebuttal? If I'm wrong, I'd like to learn? (Note-  Yes, I realize that the old testament is made up of several covenants, not just one.  It's just easier to make a point by making it a whole.) The old testiment is the law,the law that no one could realy  fully obay bacause it requiered the sacrifice of a sinless person to atone for us an sense ther are no sinless people on earth God sent Jesus to do it. and that gave us a new covanant an answer to the old one things that were punishable by death are still bad ideas but Jesus took that death on himself in our place. -- Posted by Ultimatum at 2:46 pm on July 11, 2009 Quote: from Shogun villimax at 11:13 am on July 11, 2009 Quote: from icantthinkofaname at 9:06 pm on July 10, 2009 Certain parts of the bible are taken out of their intended context. Also: Christians- The old testament can't be used to call things sin. Sure, it's a good guideline to live by, and it give us more information on God, but it's not our covenant. It's the old covenant for the jews, but when they broke it, it was no longer a... well... a covenant. It didn't matter. God made a new covenant with us, that he delivered through the new testament. Just think... If we still lived by old testament standards, we wouldn't eat pork, we'd all be circumcised, stuff like that. Understand what I mean?    Okay. Rebuttal?  If I'm wrong, I'd like to learn?    (Note- Yes, I realize that the old testament is made up of several covenants, not just one. It's just easier to make a point by making it a whole.) The old testiment is the law,the law that no one could realy fully obay bacause it requiered the sacrifice of a sinless person to atone for us an sense ther are no sinless people on earth God sent Jesus to do it. and that gave us a new covanant an answer to the old one things that were punishable by death are still bad ideas but Jesus took that death on himself in our place. Wait... did you agree with me?  Or not?  I'm saying the law isn't our covenant. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 3:01 pm on July 11, 2009 Quote: from sperm at 11:08 pm on July 10, 2009 the old testament seems a lot smarter than the new testament. Interesting. I don't think I've ever thought of a book as being "smart". -- Posted by Aristocrat at 11:29 pm on July 11, 2009 Quote: from TigressaLynnMae at 9:19 am on July 11, 2009 You really are an ignorant fool. Is that suppose to be a compliment?  If yes, then I don't find such compliment to be "hot" and flattering. -- Posted by Stormblazer at 2:36 am on July 12, 2009 Quote: from Aristocrat at 10:52 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Stormblazer at 9:27 pm on July 10, 2009 The old testament has a lot more junk (ie Leviticus) as well. Are you kidding me? Leviticus, Romans, Genesis and Corinthians are among the best and most respected verses in the Bible that refute the despicable of some of the abnormality of the hot issue topics. Without those verses the Bible could have being no guidance to Christianity if not completely. You must admit and give some credit where it is due at least. Not to books like Leviticus I won't. You are aware that Leviticus advocates stoning people on frankly frivolous grounds, yes? I'm sorry you have a fixation on abnormality somehow meaning wrongness, but have a care for the sources you defend before doing so. -- Posted by Aristocrat at 12:03 am on July 13, 2009 Quote: from Stormblazer at 2:36 am on July 12, 2009 Not to books like Leviticus I won't. You are aware that Leviticus advocates stoning people on frankly frivolous grounds, yes? I'm sorry you have a fixation on abnormality somehow meaning wrongness, but have a care for the sources you defend before doing so. You mean people who commit crime back then used to be stoned and that is the Law; just as today when you commit a major crime you will be put to electric chair.  Early days you commit a major crime you will be stoned as modern day you will be electrocuted which both are a sign of punishment right?  No difference except one is with stoning while the other is an electric chair that's the only different but other than that it is still a punishment. -- Posted by Stormblazer at 1:52 am on July 13, 2009 Quote: from Aristocrat at 1:03 am on July 13, 2009 You mean people who commit crime back then used to be stoned and that is the Law; just as today when you commit a major crime you will be put to electric chair. Early days you commit a major crime you will be stoned as modern day you will be electrocuted which both are a sign of punishment right? No difference except one is with stoning while the other is an electric chair that's the only different but other than that it is still a punishment. I said on relatively frivolous grounds. For example, cursing God's name. I understand it's an issue, but worthy of being killed for? Not a chance, not by light years. Point is, there are several things in there that no one would ever say is a major crime, not one that you would stone someone for. It's not just the stoning either. There's a lot of silly junk in there, especially all the junk about periods and semen. Sure, there's some good advice too, common sense health stuff like not eating the meat of a wild animal that's been laying there awhile. But it means you take the stuff on it's own merit, not just because it's in Leviticus. And that means that for stuff that isn't blatantly obvious, you can't use Leviticus as a valid source even on purely theological grounds, which as a matter of government policy, you're a long way from theological grounds anyways. PS. The death penalty is quite rare, and most places that do still have it use lethal injection. -- Posted by TigressaLynnMae at 10:28 am on July 13, 2009 Is that suppose to be a compliment? Are you really that dense? -- Posted by Aristocrat at 12:45 pm on July 13, 2009 Quote: from Stormblazer at 1:52 am on July 13, 2009 I said on relatively frivolous grounds. For example, cursing God's name. I understand it's an issue, but worthy of being killed for? Not a chance, not by light years. Point is, there are several things in there that no one would ever say is a major crime, not one that you would stone someone for. It's not just the stoning either. There's a lot of silly junk in there, especially all the junk about periods and semen. Sure, there's some good advice too, common sense health stuff like not eating the meat of a wild animal that's been laying there awhile. But it means you take the stuff on it's own merit, not just because it's in Leviticus. And that means that for stuff that isn't blatantly obvious, you can't use Leviticus as a valid source even on purely theological grounds, which as a matter of government policy, you're a long way from theological grounds anyways.   PS. The death penalty is quite rare, and most places that do still have it use lethal injection. I acknowledge that the Bible has some flaws in it, but there are also some good in it too that people can use and follow while ignoring the other flaws.  I tend to see a lot of people making and using the flaws in it as an excuse for going astray just because some men corrupted some part in the Bible.  People should do their best to avoid evil and abnormal things that is distasteful to the civilized and healthy society.  But they arrogantly ignore such good message and go with their immoral desires (like pedophilia, murder, rape so on and forth).  Don't give me wrong some desires are completely normal and natural (like wanting to get married to a woman ((now that is the natural lust to have for a woman)), then having kids, or helping the poor son on and forth) while others are not; it is nothing but a whisper of the Satan's temptation that we as human should have brushed (it is hard to fight with the Satan but we have to do our best rather than being apologetic to it) it off instead going along with it. Anyways, I might not like the whole thing that dude wrote but I like some of his stuff.  I do not like or agree with the sell your daughters stuff in there but If I were a Christian I would take the good things and ignore the part where it don't make sense.   Quote: from TigressaLynnMae at 10:28 am on July 13, 2009 Are you really that dense? Absolutely not, just wanted to make sure. -- Posted by Stormblazer at 10:41 pm on July 13, 2009 Quote: from Aristocrat at 1:45 pm on July 13, 2009 Anyways, I might not like the whole thing that dude wrote but I like some of his stuff. I do not like or agree with the sell your daughters stuff in there but If I were a Christian I would take the good things and ignore the part where it don't make sense. That is my point - the "good" stuff isn't good just because it's in there is it? No, it's good because it's good. Ergo, whether it is in the bible or not alone isn't a good enough reason by itself to say if something is wrong or right. THAT is what I'm getting at. -- Posted by Aristocrat at 11:40 pm on July 14, 2009 Quote: from Stormblazer at 10:41 pm on July 13, 2009 That is my point - the "good" stuff isn't good just because it's in there is it? No, it's good because it's good. Ergo, whether it is in the bible or not alone isn't a good enough reason by itself to say if something is wrong or right. THAT is what I'm getting at. You trying to say since some of the stuff in the Bible are good because it is a common sense and and wrong and right don't exist in the religious moral at all and only common sense exist.  So if we tend to go with your argument then the weak irreligious group will try everything in their power to justify the perverted and dusting things to be fit in as a common sense and under the banner of consetual love doesn't matter of gender.  Now that is weak argument.  Love intimacy between the two same gender is not a common sense and it is perverted to the max.