Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by outatime at 12:36 pm on June 7, 2009 At a young age I was diagnosed with ADHD inattentive.  Basically I zone out all the time.  I am really spacey and I seem out of it all the time.   I think that people with ADD are not really well understood by the medical world.  I think that this is just a personality trait rather than something that needs to be fixed.  Teachers did not know how to teach me as a child. I should not be drugged up with pills as a fix.   Our brains are not a simple chemical equation that can be balanced with a drug.  They are far more complicated than that. -- Posted by Dylan6405 at 12:36 pm on June 7, 2009 agreed -- Posted by DuBBy at 12:37 pm on June 7, 2009 I have ocd I like to count! -- Posted by Lily Rose at 12:37 pm on June 7, 2009 @.@ Sounds logical to me -- Posted by SoHigh at 12:37 pm on June 7, 2009 I'm diagnosed with ADD. I don't think I really have it, I'm just really lazy and laid back all the time. -- Posted by loverXXofXXdarkness at 12:38 pm on June 7, 2009 true... -- Posted by metacarPi at 12:43 pm on June 7, 2009 I agree. I have recently been diagnosed with ADD, and apparently I'd had it all my life but my parents thought it was just my personality, so I never took any medication for it. I'm not taking any for it now, either. I don't feel I need to. -- Posted by Stormblazer at 8:38 pm on June 7, 2009 Quote: from outatime at 1:36 pm on June 7, 2009 At a young age I was diagnosed with ADHD inattentive. Basically I zone out all the time. I am really spacey and I seem out of it all the time. I think that people with ADD are not really well understood by the medical world. I think that this is just a personality trait rather than something that needs to be fixed. Teachers did not know how to teach me as a child. I should not be drugged up with pills as a fix. Our brains are not a simple chemical equation that can be balanced with a drug. They are far more complicated than that. I disagree - I have ADHD myself, and I can tell you that the primary difference between if I'm on my meds, and off, is that off my self-regulatory ability on my behavior goes out the window, no matter how hard I try. It's awful. Now, I will say that ADHD is severely over-diagnosed, and of those that do actually have it, I'd guess many are on the wrong kind of medication. It took me many, many years to find my current medication - previous ones either worked poorly, or did not have the proper effect / side-effects. -- Posted by Poker Shark at 9:53 am on June 16, 2009 I disagree. I have ADHD-inattentive, too but I don't see it as part of who I am. I see it as an affliction not a personality trait. When I'm on meds I'm not a lazy, disorganized, useless person. I don't feel so stupid because I don't make forgetful mistakes all the time and I don't have as much trouble learning or problem-solving. I don't think the meds make me a different person. I think they allow me to perform to my full potential at school and work. At the moment I'm on Strattera and it doesn't seem to be working yet but when I was on Ritalin I was so much more capable in so many different areas of life and that made me a more confident person. I've lost that now but I'm trying to get it back. -- Posted by Ray James at 8:29 pm on June 20, 2009 I Got adhd its not bad -- Posted by blitzerdog at 11:02 pm on June 20, 2009 I think i have it. Its fucking up my life, but I don't want to cede control to pills... -- Posted by Kaskade at 10:29 am on June 21, 2009 Quote: from Poker Shark at 12:53 pm on June 16, 2009 I disagree. I have ADHD-inattentive, too but I don't see it as part of who I am. I see it as an affliction not a personality trait. When I'm on meds I'm not a lazy, disorganized, useless person. I don't feel so stupid because I don't make forgetful mistakes all the time and I don't have as much trouble learning or problem-solving. I don't think the meds make me a different person. I think they allow me to perform to my full potential at school and work. At the moment I'm on Strattera and it doesn't seem to be working yet but when I was on Ritalin I was so much more capable in so many different areas of life and that made me a more confident person.   I've lost that now but I'm trying to get it back. I hope I don't offend you, but I think your outlook on your ADHD is exactly why you can't use your full potential. I have ADHD myself, and although I do find myself lazy and have a very hard time paying attention sometimes. I do have potential if I try hard enough. I think you need to stop relying on pills to solve your problems because you're basically saying that you're useless unless your drugged. That stuff does change your personality. I've been on many ADHD drugs as a child and have even hallucinated for days from it. I don't agree with the drugs because kids will think that they can't do anything right without it and I think that can affect self-esteem. Hey, if I can do it, you can too. I think you're better then this.   -- Posted by Chava at 9:10 pm on June 24, 2009 I agree. -- Posted by 534534553453 at 8:23 am on June 25, 2009 People often talk about people with ADHD not knowing whats right from wrong. But let me ask you this.... Who has the right to state what is right and wrong in the world? Who says that 2+2 has to be 4? People are quick to label themselves or other people for having some sort of "disorder" simply because they don't "fit in" But fit into what exactly? A world full of war, hatred, greed, selfishness & propaganda? You zone out, because thats who you are, you daydream, because thats apart of you.... You're not hyperactive..... everybody else is lazy... See where i'm going with this? There is no right or wrong! "Everything" means "nothing"..... because we all perceive things differently. Your idea of a perfect world isnt the same as someone elses idea of a perfect world. -- Posted by Goddess of Judecca at 5:37 pm on June 25, 2009 Technically, ADD doesn't exist. The DSM doesn't recognise it as existing anymore. ADHD, I think, it's mostly BS. I'm sure it exists, but not nearly the way people think it does.Quote: from 534534553453 at 8:23 am on June 25, 2009 People often talk about people with ADHD not knowing whats right from wrong. I know plenty of people that have been diagnosed with it, and whether they're on or off medication, they're perfectly normal. Generally, their social intelligence is a bit low, but otherwise they're perfectly average. But let me ask you this.... Who has the right to state what is right and wrong in the world? Who says that 2+2 has to be 4? People are quick to label themselves or other people for having some sort of "disorder" simply because they don't "fit in" But fit into what exactly? A world full of war, hatred, greed, selfishness & propaganda? You zone out, because thats who you are, you daydream, because thats apart of you.... You're not hyperactive..... everybody else is lazy... See where i'm going with this? There is no right or wrong! "Everything" means "nothing"..... because we all perceive things differently. Your idea of a perfect world isnt the same as someone elses idea of a perfect world. Wow. You've obviously got no idea what you're talking about. ~Maggot -- Posted by 534534553453 at 2:30 am on June 26, 2009 Quote: from Goddess of Judecca at 5:37 pm on June 25, 2009 Technically, ADD doesn't exist. The DSM doesn't recognise it as existing anymore. ADHD, I think, it's mostly BS. I'm sure it exists, but not nearly the way people think it does.Quote: from 534534553453 at 8:23 am on June 25, 2009 People often talk about people with ADHD not knowing whats right from wrong.   I know plenty of people that have been diagnosed with it, and whether they're on or off medication, they're perfectly normal. Generally, their social intelligence is a bit low, but otherwise they're perfectly average.  But let me ask you this....    Who has the right to state what is right and wrong in the world?    Who says that 2+2 has to be 4?    People are quick to label themselves or other people for having some sort of "disorder" simply because they don't "fit in"    But fit into what exactly?    A world full of war, hatred, greed, selfishness & propaganda?    You zone out, because thats who you are, you daydream, because thats apart of you....    You're not hyperactive..... everybody else is lazy...    See where i'm going with this?    There is no right or wrong!    "Everything" means "nothing"..... because we all perceive things differently.    Your idea of a perfect world isnt the same as someone elses idea of a perfect world. Wow. You've obviously got no idea what you're talking about. ~Maggot Please tell me anything in my post that is wrong? -- Posted by rstyku at 2:35 am on June 26, 2009 ADHD is a bogus construction to sell drugs to kids. Depending on a kids own resistance to the neurotoxic effects of amphetamine like substances will determine how well they fair in developing tolerance and getting a permanently neurodamaged central nervous system. Often kids who suffer neurodamage from these drugs take the effects of the substance (worse attention, lower intelligence, all other manner of subtle retardation's) as confirmation that there is something wrong with them. Still other kids, will develop a depressive condition due to the inverse tolerance effect the substance on the neurotransmitter systems, that is the desensitization of a person to their own chemical impulses, due to the raising of the levels of these chemical impulses to supra physiological levels. Then they may end up taking all manner of other psychotropics to "fix" this "new" condition. When infact anti-depressant drugs are almost chemically identical to amphetamines and will only compound the damage. Furthermore a Dr Baughman has demonstrated that Ritalin, Adderal, Desoxyn etc... cause brain atrophy(shrinkage), particularly of the Corpus Collosum which connects the two hemispheres and the right hemisphere of the brain which is responsible for emotive think and creativity. I spoke to a professor who is the head of the Medical Law and Ethics department at Lincoln university here in England who said that this was due to the inhibition of calcium(or potassium) ions in the brain which causes brain cell death. -- Posted by rstyku at 2:51 am on June 26, 2009 Furthermore ADHD is a subjective collection of behavioral characteristics, which furthermore can only be determined subjectively, it is not an entity which can be found biologically in life or autopsy after death (though the psycho-pharmaceutical/psychiatric industry is doing it's best to make it look like it can). It should not be referred to as being actual, it should only be referred to as i have defined it above. In 1998 the NIH held a 3-day conference on ADHD titled; ADHD is it a disease or isn't it? To cut a long story short, at the end of the conference they released this quote in their consensus statement: "We do not have a valid test for ADHD and there is no data to indicate that it is due to brain malfunction" Ironic that they still refer to it as an entity, in their admission that it does not exist. Hyperkinetic syndrome probably exists, which is a where a child really can't stay still, and is more of a neuromotor function disorder than the subjective psychological entity that ADHD is. ADHD is the "treating" of a personality, not a brain disease and i suspect at some great cost to many individuals mental and physical health and society as a whole, even if the individuals and society does not and may not ever realize it... At the heart of this debate lies a fundamental philosophical issue, rather than a moral one, it pertains to the question of what consciousness is, what the mind is and what a valid treatment for these undefinables really would be and when it could be appropriate. On the moral side of the issue however we can ask is it acceptable to medicate a personality, by causing damage to the central nervous system? -- Posted by Stormblazer at 11:04 am on June 26, 2009 Quote: from D Y L A N at 11:29 am on June 21, 2009 I hope I don't offend you, but I think your outlook on your ADHD is exactly why you can't use your full potential. I have ADHD myself, and although I do find myself lazy and have a very hard time paying attention sometimes. I do have potential if I try hard enough. I think you need to stop relying on pills to solve your problems because you're basically saying that you're useless unless your drugged. That stuff does change your personality. I've been on many ADHD drugs as a child and have even hallucinated for days from it. I don't agree with the drugs because kids will think that they can't do anything right without it and I think that can affect self-esteem. Hey, if I can do it, you can too. I think you're better then this. Strongly disagree. After years of trying different medications I've found ones that don't mess up my personality. Off them, the only truly noticable difference is a lack of self regulatory control. As much as I'd  like to not be reliant on them, that's the truth. :5800: -- Posted by rstyku at 3:34 pm on June 26, 2009 Quote: from Stormblazer at 11:04 am on June 26, 2009 Quote: from D Y L A N at 11:29 am on June 21, 2009 I hope I don't offend you, but I think your outlook on your ADHD is exactly why you can't use your full potential. I have ADHD myself, and although I do find myself lazy and have a very hard time paying attention sometimes. I do have potential if I try hard enough. I think you need to stop relying on pills to solve your problems because you're basically saying that you're useless unless your drugged. That stuff does change your personality. I've been on many ADHD drugs as a child and have even hallucinated for days from it. I don't agree with the drugs because kids will think that they can't do anything right without it and I think that can affect self-esteem. Hey, if I can do it, you can too. I think you're better then this.   Strongly disagree. After years of trying different medications I've found ones that don't mess up my personality. Off them, the only truly noticable difference is a lack of self regulatory control. As much as I'd like to not be reliant on them, that's the truth.   :5800: Your a junkie dude and most of your problems are probably psychosomatic, the mind is a very powerful tool and a blade that cuts both ways, it can be used the purposes of self destruction and inhibition as much as it can creation and expansion. You have been programmed by propaganda to promote a perverted paradigm of how the mind works. You only "need" drugs if you feel you need them. Between brain atrophy, genetic chromosomal aberrations, reduced cerebral blood flow, free radicals, dopamine/serotonin/norepinephrine receptor downregulation, prolactin elevation(which reduces LH/FSH hormone secretion(which reduces sperm and testosterone production(which in turn reduces dopamine receptor proliferation further(which increases prolactin secretion further, pulsatile growth hormone release inhibition(which compounds all of the above further, adreno receptor modulation and more other demonstrable effects of Ritalin/Adderal/Desoxyn etc... I could go on forever because there is no a single system in the body that these drugs don't permanently affect the balance of in what could only be described as a negative way and the interconnected complexity of the human body(especially the brain) is greater than could ever be fully described. These drugs are potent, so is the strength of the human bodies natural homeostatic mechanism fortunately, the body will always try to preserve balance. I would not like to take my chances that i am somehow immune to the potential for massively reduced quality of health and life however. I also would not take my chances that i would somehow recognize the subtle and cumulative mental and physical impair that may be inflicted on me. An interesting facet of human psychology, is it's egocentric bias, that is it's limited scope of itself and the complexity of the systems in which it exists. When it comes to drugs, if one lost some aspects of mental function, it would be near impossible to become aware of it. If one loses some emotional/mental function for example, the ability to recall emotion/cognition would also be lost along with the loss of present emotionality, so one would not have any "notes" to compare ones present emotional state to. One can only recall information within the minds present ability to process it. Anyways goodlucks, statistically speaking from everything i know about physiology, psychology and neurobiology, you will need it, so do all the teens and preteens who get this crap pushed on them. -- Posted by insurgent at 8:00 pm on June 30, 2009 A.D.D. and A.D.H.D are very real. -- Posted by ilovemyheart at 3:32 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from insurgent at 8:00 pm on June 30, 2009 A.D.D. and A.D.H.D are very real. What makes it real? Would ADHD exist if nobody ever thought of it in the first place? ADHD is an invention, just like every other idea in the world. Something can't exist without being developed into an idea first. If ADHD was never invented.... then we wouldn't be talking about it right now. And being energetic would be an acceptable part of society -- Posted by uPiNsMoKe420 at 7:47 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Goddess of Judecca at 5:37 pm on June 25, 2009 Technically, ADD doesn't exist. The DSM doesn't recognise it as existing anymore. ADHD, I think, it's mostly BS. I'm sure it exists, but not nearly the way people think it does.Quote: from 534534553453 at 8:23 am on June 25, 2009 People often talk about people with ADHD not knowing whats right from wrong.   I know plenty of people that have been diagnosed with it, and whether they're on or off medication, they're perfectly normal. Generally, their social intelligence is a bit low, but otherwise they're perfectly average.  But let me ask you this....    Who has the right to state what is right and wrong in the world?    Who says that 2+2 has to be 4?    People are quick to label themselves or other people for having some sort of "disorder" simply because they don't "fit in"    But fit into what exactly?    A world full of war, hatred, greed, selfishness & propaganda?    You zone out, because thats who you are, you daydream, because thats apart of you....    You're not hyperactive..... everybody else is lazy...    See where i'm going with this?    There is no right or wrong!    "Everything" means "nothing"..... because we all perceive things differently.    Your idea of a perfect world isnt the same as someone elses idea of a perfect world. Wow. You've obviously got no idea what you're talking about. ~Maggot No, you have no idea what you are talking about. Brain analysis using SPECT images of people with adhd show that they often have as much as 50% less blood flow in parts of the cerebellum. I have ADHD, and no matter how hard i try, I simply cannot manage it without medication. -- Posted by iconoclast at 9:17 pm on July 4, 2009 dude, people with different favorite activities will show up different on brain scans. it doesnt mean its a brain caused thing, the brain is just a manifestation of an emotional state -- Posted by Event Horizon at 8:34 am on July 5, 2009 Quote: from ilovemyheart at 6:32 pm on July 4, 2009 Quote: from insurgent at 8:00 pm on June 30, 2009 A.D.D. and A.D.H.D are very real. What makes it real? Would ADHD exist if nobody ever thought of it in the first place? Would cancer? -- Posted by uPiNsMoKe420 at 9:11 am on July 5, 2009 Quote: from iconoclast at 9:17 pm on July 4, 2009 dude, people with different favorite activities will show up different on brain scans. it doesnt mean its a brain caused thing, the brain is just a manifestation of an emotional state During those activities, yes. And yes it varies from person to person, but you can't say that the majority of checkers players have less blood flow in a part of their brain. In controlled experiments it has been proven that people with adhd lack blood flow in parts of the cerebrum but often make up for it in other areas of the brain. -- Posted by insurgent at 7:00 pm on July 5, 2009 ilovemyheart What makes it real? Would ADHD exist if nobody ever thought of it in the first place? ADHD is an invention, just like every other idea in the world. Something can't exist without being developed into an idea first. If ADHD was never invented.... then we wouldn't be talking about it right now. And being energetic would be an acceptable part of society A.D.H.D was not "invented," it's a label for a disorder.  (Do you even know what the word "invent" means?)  Anyway. It's actually a psychological disorder caused by a slight imbalance of the chemicals such as seratonin, epinephrin, noepinephrin, etc...you know, the chemicals near the brain stem that control hunger, moods, energy, and the like? I know for certain they both exist because I was diagnosed with A.D.D. when I was younger, and developed bipolar disorder recently.  I can't sit still whatsoever in a manic episode, and some days I'll go without sleep or run solely on two hours of sleep.  Not to mention my friend's brother was diagnosed with just A.D.H.D roughly 19 years ago.  That guy never sits still unless he's extremely blitzed (drunk and high) or asleep. That would be awesome if it was just "invented," though.  If that was so, you think maybe I could take mine to Wal-Mart and get my money back? -- Posted by uPiNsMoKe420 at 10:07 pm on July 5, 2009 ^^^ good post And if ADD/ADHD doesn't exist, neither does anxiety, depresion, bipolar disorder, schitzophrenia,  and ocd.... -- Posted by iconoclast at 12:35 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from uPiNsMoKe420 at 12:11 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from iconoclast at 9:17 pm on July 4, 2009 dude, people with different favorite activities will show up different on brain scans. it doesnt mean its a brain caused thing, the brain is just a manifestation of an emotional state During those activities, yes. And yes it varies from person to person, but you can't say that the majority of checkers players have less blood flow in a part of their brain. In controlled experiments it has been proven that people with adhd lack blood flow in parts of the cerebrum but often make up for it in other areas of the brain. actually people who are REALLY focused on certain activities often have higher blood flow to certain areas and corresponding less to other areas in real time, not just while playing and you gotta take into account that if ADHD is an emotional state, then while in it, theyll have less blod flow or whatever. its totally irrelevant man -- Posted by uPiNsMoKe420 at 2:24 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from iconoclast at 12:35 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from uPiNsMoKe420 at 12:11 pm on July 5, 2009 Quote: from iconoclast at 9:17 pm on July 4, 2009 dude, people with different favorite activities will show up different on brain scans. it doesnt mean its a brain caused thing, the brain is just a manifestation of an emotional state During those activities, yes. And yes it varies from person to person, but you can't say that the majority of checkers players have less blood flow in a part of their brain. In controlled experiments it has been proven that people with adhd lack blood flow in parts of the cerebrum but often make up for it in other areas of the brain. actually people who are REALLY focused on certain activities often have higher blood flow to certain areas and corresponding less to other areas in real time, not just while playing and you gotta take into account that if ADHD is an emotional state, then while in it, theyll have less blod flow or whatever. its totally irrelevant man no, it's no really an emotional state I am adhd 99% of the time, that 1% being when i am hyperfocused, which is an adhd symptom, so if you count that then 100%.... Pages: 1 2  Next