Pages: 1 2 3 4 5  Next -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:24 pm on July 16, 2008 Ever kill a scorpion? Cockroach? I don't see how it's any different than abortion. I bet you don't even think twice about it? So why is it so wrong to abort an undeveloped baby? After all, just as a bug, it's defenseless. Just because a baby is one of our own does not mean we must "protect" it. After all, I don't see many people protecting bugs. Discuss... For you non-intellectuals, you can view the same topic here. Two topics have been created to get opinions from the member's as a whole, and those who have completed the intellectual test: http://golivewire.com/forums/peer-yaeieyb-support-a.html -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 10:26 pm on July 16, 2008 i don't feel the need to equate abortion to anything it's just the right thing to do there are too many people around -- Posted by meine92 at 10:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great? By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better. -- Posted by iwashere85 at 10:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Oh, I replied before I saw the new topic: A scorpion can live though, right? So can a cockroach. A baby 0-2 months into the pregnancy cannot live outside of the mother. -- Posted by meine92 at 10:28 pm on July 16, 2008 IMHO, it differs a lot depending on how religious one may be. -- Posted by acausedelle at 10:29 pm on July 16, 2008 It is killing a living human being. Are you trying to suggest that because a baby is defenseless, that we should kill it? The baby should be born. If the parents don't want it, they can put it up for adoption. -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great? By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better. How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world. -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:31 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from im with stupid at 11:29 pm on July 16, 2008 It is killing a living human being. Are you trying to suggest that because a baby is defenseless, that we should kill it? The baby should be born. If the parents don't want it, they can put it up for adoption. No, I am simply comparing abortion to the killing of bugs. How is it any different? -- Posted by BrokenBelief at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from im with stupid at 10:29 pm on July 16, 2008 It is killing a living human being. Are you trying to suggest that because a baby is defenseless, that we should kill it? The baby should be born. If the parents don't want it, they can put it up for adoption. I wasn't aware that carrying a child to term was as easy as snapping your fingers.  It can easily ruin a woman's life. -- Posted by meine92 at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?    By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better. How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world. Does a massive colony affect the entire planet? -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from iwashere85 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Oh, I replied before I saw the new topic: A scorpion can live though, right? So can a cockroach. A baby 0-2 months into the pregnancy cannot live outside of the mother. This goes back to the baby and the bug being defenseless. If you decide to step on a bug, it's going to die, it does not have a chance to fight back. -- Posted by acausedelle at 10:34 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 12:31 am on July 17, 2008 Quote: from im with stupid at 11:29 pm on July 16, 2008 It is killing a living human being. Are you trying to suggest that because a baby is defenseless, that we should kill it?    The baby should be born. If the parents don't want it, they can put it up for adoption. No, I am simply comparing abortion to the killing of bugs. How is it any different? Bugs never aspire to anything. The baby that would have been born may have been the president. You never gave the baby a chance because you were selfishly caught up in your pathetic life. -- Posted by iwashere85 at 10:35 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 1:32 am on July 17, 2008 This goes back to the baby and the bug being defenseless. If you decide to step on a bug, it's going to die, it does not have a chance to fight back. But, the bug can live, RIGHT NOW. At that point, the "baby' has no chance at living outside mother. I'm not PRO-CHOICE ALL THE WAY, though. -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:36 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from im with stupid at 11:34 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 12:31 am on July 17, 2008 Quote: from im with stupid at 11:29 pm on July 16, 2008 It is killing a living human being. Are you trying to suggest that because a baby is defenseless, that we should kill it?   The baby should be born. If the parents don't want it, they can put it up for adoption.    No, I am simply comparing abortion to the killing of bugs. How is it any different? Bugs never aspire to anything. The baby that would have been born may have been the president. You never gave the baby a chance because you were selfishly caught up in your pathetic life. Again... As I said, as humans we may see it as great. What about the rest of the world? After all, we are not the only ones to inhabit it. -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:37 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from iwashere85 at 11:35 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 1:32 am on July 17, 2008 This goes back to the baby and the bug being defenseless. If you decide to step on a bug, it's going to die, it does not have a chance to fight back. But, the bug can live, RIGHT NOW. At that point, the "baby' has no chance at living outside mother.   I'm not PRO-CHOICE ALL THE WAY, though. Just as some species of ant's are not capable of living without being part of a colony? -- Posted by nigeltheoutlaw at 10:38 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?   By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.    How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world. Does a massive colony affect the entire planet? Does one unwanted baby change the planet? I thought not. -- Posted by iwashere85 at 10:39 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 1:37 am on July 17, 2008 Just as some species of ant's are not capable of living without being part of a colony? Ah, but this is different. These species you talk about are already living in the world. "Babies" inside a mother are not living in the world. Maybe their own little world, but that is quite different. -- Posted by meine92 at 10:40 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:38 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?       By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.   How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world.    Does a massive colony affect the entire planet?     Does one unwanted baby change the planet? I thought not. No it does not, but it has the potential to. -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:40 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?   By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.    How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world. Does a massive colony affect the entire planet? Does 1 person affect the entire planet? No. Collectively as a whole, we do. Just as every other species on this planet does. As of now we are destroying the planet. -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:42 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from iwashere85 at 11:39 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 1:37 am on July 17, 2008 Just as some species of ant's are not capable of living without being part of a colony?   Ah, but this is different. These species you talk about are already living in the world.   "Babies" inside a mother are not living in the world. Maybe their own little world, but that is quite different. I don't see how that baby is not living in this world. Physically it is, within the mother. Just as an ant lives within a colony. Can the ant leave? Sure, but it will die. Can the baby leave? Not by choice, but if it does it will also die. -- Posted by nigeltheoutlaw at 10:45 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 10:40 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:38 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?    By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.       How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world.   Does a massive colony affect the entire planet?      Does one unwanted baby change the planet? I thought not. No it does not, but it has the potential to. Of course. I also have the potential to spontaneously combust. Is that going to happen? No. The most likely thing is that if the baby is not aborted, it will be put up for adoption, be molested and raped by its adopters, most likely abuse a controlled substance, live an utterly fruitless life, and do absolutely nothing with its life but be a drain on society. -- Posted by meine92 at 10:46 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 10:40 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?       By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.   How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world.    Does a massive colony affect the entire planet?     Does 1 person affect the entire planet? No. Collectively as a whole, we do. Just as every other species on this planet does.   As of now we are destroying the planet. I know many will disagree with this, but, look at Hitler. Although most of the world disagreed with what he was doing (refering to the Holocaust) he and his followers felt that genocide of everyone but the Aryans was for the best. Who knows? Maybe it would of been for the best. In the Aryan's eyes, one person changed the world for the best by starting a large genocide movement. -- Posted by meine92 at 10:48 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:45 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 10:40 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:38 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 10:32 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 10:30 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from meine92 at 11:26 pm on July 16, 2008 Has a bug ever accomplished anything great?           By getting an abortion, you are killing something that has the potential to change the world for the better.    How are we to define what is "great"? From an ant's point of view, a massive colony could be considered "great". Just because it is great in our point of view, doesn't amount to anything. It would be "great" in human eyes but not to the rest of the world.       Does a massive colony affect the entire planet?         Does one unwanted baby change the planet? I thought not.    No it does not, but it has the potential to. Of course. I also have the potential to spontaneously combust. Is that going to happen? No. The most likely thing is that if the baby is not aborted, it will be put up for adoption, be molested and raped by its adopters, most likely abuse a controlled substance, live an utterly fruitless life, and do absolutely nothing with its life but be a drain on society. I also have the potential to spontaneously combust. Is that going to happen? No. -- Posted by iwashere85 at 10:49 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 1:42 am on July 17, 2008 I don't see how that baby is not living in this world. Physically it is, within the mother. Just as an ant lives within a colony. Can the ant leave? Sure, but it will die. Can the baby leave? Not by choice, but if it does it will also die. Yes, physically it is. But, it is not in the exposed world, like the ant is. Curious. If ants invaded your house, would you set traps to get rid of them? The ant to abortion connection isn't working for me. -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 10:52 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from iwashere85 at 11:49 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 1:42 am on July 17, 2008 I don't see how that baby is not living in this world. Physically it is, within the mother. Just as an ant lives within a colony.    Can the ant leave? Sure, but it will die.    Can the baby leave? Not by choice, but if it does it will also die. Yes, physically it is. But, it is not in the exposed world, like the ant is.   Curious. If ants invaded your house, would you set traps to get rid of them?   The ant to abortion connection isn't working for me. Yes, i'd kill every one of them. I also don't see a problem with abortion. -- Posted by iwashere85 at 10:53 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 1:52 am on July 17, 2008 Yes, i'd kill every one of them. I also don't see a problem with abortion. Changed stance? Or were you just arguing for the sake of arguing that point? -- Posted by Gabriel Gray at 11:08 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from iwashere85 at 11:53 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 1:52 am on July 17, 2008 Yes, i'd kill every one of them. I also don't see a problem with abortion. Changed stance? Or were you just arguing for the sake of arguing that point? I was simply making a comparison and asking how it's any different. As I see many people that are strongly against abortion, yet don't think twice when killing another creature. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 11:20 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from N e o at 11:31 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from im with stupid at 11:29 pm on July 16, 2008 It is killing a living human being. Are you trying to suggest that because a baby is defenseless, that we should kill it?    The baby should be born. If the parents don't want it, they can put it up for adoption.   No, I am simply comparing abortion to the killing of bugs. How is it any different? Uh... I am going out on a limb here and assuming you didn't notice the glaring difference. A bug is not a human being? I don't know, might just be me, but that one kind of stands out. FP EDIT: Apparently, I'm dysexlic. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 5:21 am on July 17, 2008 No matter how long it lives and how old it grows, a cockroach will never discover a cure for cancer, find a way to reverse global warming, end world hunger or really do much besides scurry and carry disease. If left to nature, a fetus will grow and develop and has the potential to do all of those things and still have time to make a perfect grilled cheese sandwich at the end of the day. Potential is the difference here. -- Posted by Micus at 10:11 am on July 17, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 8:21 am on July 17, 2008 No matter how long it lives and how old it grows, a cockroach will never discover a cure for cancer, find a way to reverse global warming, end world hunger or really do much besides scurry and carry disease. If left to nature, a fetus will grow and develop and has the potential to do all of those things and still have time to make a perfect grilled cheese sandwich at the end of the day. Potential is the difference here. That baby could also grow up to be Hitler. Or a homeless deranged drug addict. Or autistic. It doesn't really matter either way because if you just nip it in the bud we'll be sure it won't grow into anything at all. Edit: and actually, if left to nature, the baby would die hours after its born, unless it's cared for by the mother. Neglecting it pre or post partum would produce the same result. Pages: 1 2 3 4 5  Next