Quote: from ironicdreams at 12:18 am on July 7, 2009 I guess you haven't seen a lot of racism then. Children will be victims and children will be bullies. That's how life is. If you uniform a school so kids can't pick on other kids' clothing, they will find something else. I've seen horrible mistreatment, and not just by children, to children. For being a race other than white, for being handicapped, for having his father in the military. Don't flatter yourself in thinking that homosexuals get the worst of treatment. I'm not saying any group of specific people, whether gays or mormons, have it worse than the other. But if you're still alive, I doubt you have received the torture and ridicule that many other people have had. i live in toxteth - notorious for it's racism riots. i'm not flattering myself. if i can AVOID bringing a child into a life where it's going to get picked on and bullied of course i'm going to. i'm not going to put up with the guilt of knowing that i'm the CAUSE of my child's mistreatment. i never said i received torture or ridicule - however i got beat up to the extent i had to switch school (yeah fucking laugh){1}, i got kicked out my house, disowned by my parents, i get snide comments, dirty looks, people treat me differently.. my cousin's been beat up so badly he had to be hospitalised for "looking gay", going nothing more, just standing at a bustop minding his own business. why would i risk bringing those sorts of threatening situations upon my own child ? it's inconsiderate and too fucking risky for me. fair enough if someone wants to turn a blind eye to this issue and bring up a child because they want to, or whatever, but IN MY OPINION (which this whole topic is about - opinion - and don't try to change mine {2}) i would never adopt a child. it's cruel.
I guess you haven't seen a lot of racism then. Children will be victims and children will be bullies. That's how life is. If you uniform a school so kids can't pick on other kids' clothing, they will find something else. I've seen horrible mistreatment, and not just by children, to children. For being a race other than white, for being handicapped, for having his father in the military. Don't flatter yourself in thinking that homosexuals get the worst of treatment. I'm not saying any group of specific people, whether gays or mormons, have it worse than the other. But if you're still alive, I doubt you have received the torture and ridicule that many other people have had.
I guess you haven't seen a lot of racism then.
Children will be victims and children will be bullies. That's how life is. If you uniform a school so kids can't pick on other kids' clothing, they will find something else.
I've seen horrible mistreatment, and not just by children, to children. For being a race other than white, for being handicapped, for having his father in the military. Don't flatter yourself in thinking that homosexuals get the worst of treatment. I'm not saying any group of specific people, whether gays or mormons, have it worse than the other. But if you're still alive, I doubt you have received the torture and ridicule that many other people have had.
i live in toxteth - notorious for it's racism riots.
i'm not flattering myself. if i can AVOID bringing a child into a life where it's going to get picked on and bullied of course i'm going to. i'm not going to put up with the guilt of knowing that i'm the CAUSE of my child's mistreatment.
i never said i received torture or ridicule - however i got beat up to the extent i had to switch school (yeah fucking laugh){1}, i got kicked out my house, disowned by my parents, i get snide comments, dirty looks, people treat me differently.. my cousin's been beat up so badly he had to be hospitalised for "looking gay", going nothing more, just standing at a bustop minding his own business. why would i risk bringing those sorts of threatening situations upon my own child ? it's inconsiderate and too fucking risky for me.
fair enough if someone wants to turn a blind eye to this issue and bring up a child because they want to, or whatever, but IN MY OPINION (which this whole topic is about - opinion - and don't try to change mine {2}) i would never adopt a child. it's cruel.
{1} I don't see why I would laugh. I don't think that is funny. {2} I understand I can't change your opinion, nor was I trying to. A debate just sounded fun before it turned into a bit of cussing.
i never said i received torture or ridicule - however i got beat up to the extent i had to switch school (yeah fucking laugh), i got kicked out my house, disowned by my parents, i get snide comments, dirty looks, people treat me differently.. my cousin's been beat up so badly he had to be hospitalised for "looking gay", going nothing more, just standing at a bustop minding his own business. why would i risk bringing those sorts of threatening situations upon my own child ? it's inconsiderate and too fucking risky for me.
fair enough if someone wants to turn a blind eye to this issue and bring up a child because they want to, or whatever, but IN MY OPINION (which this whole topic is about - opinion - and don't try to change mine) i would never adopt a child. it's cruel.
Quote: from ironicdreams at 12:09 am on July 7, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 4:03 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ironicdreams at 12:00 am on July 7, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 3:28 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ironicdreams at 11:26 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 3:10 pm on July 6, 2009 1. homosexuals are people too and therefore deserve equivalent rights 2. just as good parents as straight couples 3. a child gets a home 1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads These days honey, most children don't have both a mum and a dad. i know, i don't either, but it'd be confusing if you had two mums or dads when you're raised in a society where the media only really shows you male/female parental relationships I think I have to disagree with you. I believe that homosexuality is becoming much more socially acceptable nowadays. Which is proven by New Hampshire becoming the sixth state to legalize same-sex marriages. just because gays are getting recognised as human beings doesn't mean there won't still be a great deal of homophobia in a decade's time. So you're saying that a white person and a black person should not be allowed to have kids, right? Interracial marriage also used to be illegal. It took a lot of time for that to change. Even though they are legal now, there are still many people out there who are racist and are too stubborn to see anything from anybody else's perspective. If you base your theory against homosexual adoption on what you've said here, basically no couple should ever adopt. Ever. interracial marriage isn't horribly frowned on these days unlike homosexuality i've yet to see any interracial couple receive the same level of abuse that i received for being a fag i wouldn't even fucking chance putting a child through that shit
Quote: from Chasey at 4:03 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ironicdreams at 12:00 am on July 7, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 3:28 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ironicdreams at 11:26 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 3:10 pm on July 6, 2009 1. homosexuals are people too and therefore deserve equivalent rights 2. just as good parents as straight couples 3. a child gets a home 1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads These days honey, most children don't have both a mum and a dad. i know, i don't either, but it'd be confusing if you had two mums or dads when you're raised in a society where the media only really shows you male/female parental relationships I think I have to disagree with you. I believe that homosexuality is becoming much more socially acceptable nowadays. Which is proven by New Hampshire becoming the sixth state to legalize same-sex marriages. just because gays are getting recognised as human beings doesn't mean there won't still be a great deal of homophobia in a decade's time. So you're saying that a white person and a black person should not be allowed to have kids, right? Interracial marriage also used to be illegal. It took a lot of time for that to change. Even though they are legal now, there are still many people out there who are racist and are too stubborn to see anything from anybody else's perspective. If you base your theory against homosexual adoption on what you've said here, basically no couple should ever adopt. Ever.
Quote: from ironicdreams at 12:00 am on July 7, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 3:28 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ironicdreams at 11:26 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 3:10 pm on July 6, 2009 1. homosexuals are people too and therefore deserve equivalent rights 2. just as good parents as straight couples 3. a child gets a home 1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads These days honey, most children don't have both a mum and a dad. i know, i don't either, but it'd be confusing if you had two mums or dads when you're raised in a society where the media only really shows you male/female parental relationships I think I have to disagree with you. I believe that homosexuality is becoming much more socially acceptable nowadays. Which is proven by New Hampshire becoming the sixth state to legalize same-sex marriages. just because gays are getting recognised as human beings doesn't mean there won't still be a great deal of homophobia in a decade's time.
Quote: from Chasey at 3:28 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ironicdreams at 11:26 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 3:10 pm on July 6, 2009 1. homosexuals are people too and therefore deserve equivalent rights 2. just as good parents as straight couples 3. a child gets a home 1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads These days honey, most children don't have both a mum and a dad. i know, i don't either, but it'd be confusing if you had two mums or dads when you're raised in a society where the media only really shows you male/female parental relationships I think I have to disagree with you. I believe that homosexuality is becoming much more socially acceptable nowadays. Which is proven by New Hampshire becoming the sixth state to legalize same-sex marriages.
Quote: from ironicdreams at 11:26 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Chasey at 3:10 pm on July 6, 2009 1. homosexuals are people too and therefore deserve equivalent rights 2. just as good parents as straight couples 3. a child gets a home 1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads These days honey, most children don't have both a mum and a dad. i know, i don't either, but it'd be confusing if you had two mums or dads when you're raised in a society where the media only really shows you male/female parental relationships
Quote: from Chasey at 3:10 pm on July 6, 2009 1. homosexuals are people too and therefore deserve equivalent rights 2. just as good parents as straight couples 3. a child gets a home 1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads These days honey, most children don't have both a mum and a dad.
1. homosexuals are people too and therefore deserve equivalent rights 2. just as good parents as straight couples 3. a child gets a home 1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads
1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads
These days honey, most children don't have both a mum and a dad.
i know, i don't either, but it'd be confusing if you had two mums or dads when you're raised in a society where the media only really shows you male/female parental relationships
I think I have to disagree with you. I believe that homosexuality is becoming much more socially acceptable nowadays. Which is proven by New Hampshire becoming the sixth state to legalize same-sex marriages.
just because gays are getting recognised as human beings doesn't mean there won't still be a great deal of homophobia in a decade's time.
So you're saying that a white person and a black person should not be allowed to have kids, right?
Interracial marriage also used to be illegal. It took a lot of time for that to change. Even though they are legal now, there are still many people out there who are racist and are too stubborn to see anything from anybody else's perspective.
If you base your theory against homosexual adoption on what you've said here, basically no couple should ever adopt. Ever.
interracial marriage isn't horribly frowned on these days unlike homosexuality
i've yet to see any interracial couple receive the same level of abuse that i received for being a fag
i wouldn't even fucking chance putting a child through that shit
look at racism. blacks didn't have rights and now more and more people are becoming reasonable with everything changing.
Quote: from Chasey at 3:10 pm on July 6, 2009 1. homosexuals are people too and therefore deserve equivalent rights 2. just as good parents as straight couples 3. a child gets a home 1. child might get bullied 2. child either lacks a mother or a father figure 3. child might get confused because all the other kids have a mum and a dad whereas he or she either has two mums or two dads This pretty much sums it up. Me and my partner have been thinking about adopting a child in a couple of years.
This pretty much sums it up. Me and my partner have been thinking about adopting a child in a couple of years.
my boyfriend was talking about adopting children once. i actually slapped him in the face. i'd hate to bring up a child in a homosexual relationship - it's inconsiderate regarding the amount of homophobia in the world today.
For: 1. There are kids out there who need homes with loving parents. There isn't one good reason not to let gay couples adopt those kids. 2. The kid might get made fun of? Shut the fuck up. Kids get teased for being too fat, too skinny, too tall, too short, having acne, having freckles, having braces, having a lisp, being poor, being rich, shopping at the wrong stores, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on...Having two dads would just be another one to toss on the pile. 3. That whole "equality under the law" thing. Against: 1. Children raised by gay couples will all turn out gay. That's obviously how it works, since straight couples only raise straight children. 2. It goes against good christian traditions. And in a theocracy like America one religion's beliefs govern everyone's lives. 3. No, seriously, there is not a single good reason against it.
2. The kid might get made fun of? Shut the fuck up. Kids get teased for being too fat, too skinny, too tall, too short, having acne, having freckles, having braces, having a lisp, being poor, being rich, shopping at the wrong stores, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on...Having two dads would just be another one to toss on the pile.
3. That whole "equality under the law" thing.
Against: 1. Children raised by gay couples will all turn out gay. That's obviously how it works, since straight couples only raise straight children.
2. It goes against good christian traditions. And in a theocracy like America one religion's beliefs govern everyone's lives.
3. No, seriously, there is not a single good reason against it.
Why are three good reasons for people to adopt?
1. A pre-existing child gets a home. 2. A family is created. 3. Everyone deserves a family.
Reasons against adoption:
1. It might turn out they're unable to provide for the child. (I doubt this happens very often since they're watched over) 2. When adopting a child with a terminal/mental illness, or one that was abused when younger, they can require years of therapy and TLC. 3. One might not realise how hard being a parent actually is.
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