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medjai Posted at 2:55 am on June 6, 2009
The Georgia Guidestones.

"The Georgia Guidestones are a huge granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, USA. A unique message comprising ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient languages' scripts: Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs. The structure is sometimes referred to as an "American Stonehenge".

The monument is almost 20 feet (6.1 m) tall, and made from six granite slabs weighing more than 240,000 pounds (110,000 kg) in all. One slab stands in the center, with four arranged around it. A capstone lies on top of the five slabs, which are astronomically aligned. An additional stone tablet, which is set in the ground a short distance to the west of the structure, provides some notes on the history and purpose of the Guidestones."

The richest people in the world have come together and established a monument as an oath for a movement, they swore it in their respective modern languages with physical inscription into the stones, and then either as a vow of loyalty or a mark of tribute they swore them again in the most influential of ancient languages, that they would reduce the world population from five point six billion to a mere 500 million. Their justification that it needs to happen based on irrational prediction of the population to come. At the time they were reported on, its clear the media was encouraging them, writing bullets to their proposal like "Alternatives - By most reasonable estimates, by however many years, the population will hit eleven million, and 95% of them will be extremely poor and in undeveloped nations."

In other words the media reported that ultimately of course the nobles were right, there is no alternative. But why label that as an alternative? To demonize standing against it.

And so in the background as new knowledge emerges, we've just discovered a "warrior gene" that supposedly has a "significant" decision in whether or not an individual will be violent, research states it can predict if you will be in a gang, and even amongst gangsters, who the most violent of them are. They identified some native New Zealand tribe, very racistly stating that the Maori's were not at fault for their aggression (calling them savages), for they are genetically predisposed to it (genetically subhuman), is all.

A study that will certainly propagate further racism and dehumanization of them, and an acceptance of the idea that we can be labeled by our genetic predispositions, in which case you have a perfect vehicle for absolute eugenics (the reduction of the population to 500 million).

These are people so powerful you probably couldn't even know their names, and these were the principles that the stones laid out.

THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

> Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. ---- The wish to bring down the population to 500 million, and then control when people are born and die to balance it with "nature." Since obviously 500 million is ideal so you can't go above or below it.

> Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity. ---- Planned Parenthood, and it already exists and you've heard of it. Diversity is genetically beneficial, they support it.

> Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason. ---- Rule passion. Rule faith. Rule Tradition. Dictate your own judgment on how you rule them with "tempered reason."

> Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. ---- Directly mirrors "avoid petty laws" with "fair laws" and useless officials" with "just courts" (two statements down) and therefore extremely well written and clever.

> Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. ---- It follows that if a truly fair justice is established, and useless officials dispensed of, the world should unite under it, and anyone who doesn't want to should be forced to, as they are fighting against their own self-interest.

> Avoid petty laws and useless officials. ---- Laws that people disagree with and find unreasonable should be punished by fines and minor slaps on the wrist (speeding on the freeway) and sometimes people should even just straight get out of them. In other words, actually be as just as possible so that no man could both claim to be in his right mind and argue against you.

> Balance personal rights with social duties. ---- Controlling the status quo of rights versus privilege, and to accept that since you have a perfect society obviously protecting that comes before your own direct self interest, so you must sacrifice whatever rights might impede on your support of the way things are.

> Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite. ---- This is directed at the prime movers, what they should aim for, it's not saying they should have society focus on these, as society is drugged, and will be more drugged as time goes by.

> Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature. ---- Just as your parents don't want to fuck up their home, they don't want you the consumer to fuck up theirs.

As though designed to resemble a re-enactment of Moses' discovery of the Ten Commandments, perhaps because of a history we couldn't imagine or just to signify how serious they were. Their commandments are different but in their self righteous writing command an what appears to be an equally egalitarian ideal. Again, the eradication of five billion people, but really much more than that because they also have to fight against the reproducers.

In case you didn't catch the incredibly clever symbolism, they wish to unite humanity and bring it back to the stage it was once at at the peak of the building of the tower of Babylon. When according to the myth, God destroyed the tower, split up humanity, and divided the language of humanity among many tribes across many nations, crippling us mortally, and bringing us into an age of war and criminals and mankind's excessive suffering. I mean they outright state they will. It is located on the Highest point in Elbert County. (from the wiki)

I could not find out who paid to have the stones mounted, or who's property they were on, other than that it was all done under an alias, and that the alias name had historical significance and was a nod to ancient Rosicrucianism, and by proxy the Fama Fraternitatis (I say by proxy because RC Christian was anonymous though he was named).

Fama Fraternitatis
Thomas Paine, who was established the idea of a minimum income (wage)
The Georgia Guidestons

Some call it the ten commandments of the antichrist, some very influential people call it a call to a better future.

What do you think it is?

They were defaced by vandalism some time ago, but nothing has been done to remove the vandalism.

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medjai Posted at 5:58 am on July 1, 2009
I think that's pretty badass actually.
The Oath Posted at 1:18 am on June 26, 2009
I didn't take the time to read all of the posts, and this may be late and of little relevance, but Sir Karl Popper said it best:

"We must not argue that a certain social situation  is a mere means to an end on the grounds that it is merely a transient historical situation. For all situations are transient. Similarly we must not argue that the misery of one generation may be considered as a mere means to the end of securing the lasting happiness of some later generation or generations; and this argument is improved neither by a high degree of promised happiness nor by a large number of generations profiting by it. All generations are transient. All have an equal right to be considered, but our immediate duties are undoubtedly to the present generation and to the next. Besides, we should never attempt to balance anybody's misery against somebody else's happiness."

iamironman Posted at 3:05 pm on June 14, 2009
I'm driving up to NC next month. I wonder how out of the way that would be.
medjai Posted at 5:02 pm on June 12, 2009
Quote: from iamironman at 9:33 pm on June 7, 2009

I'm pretty sure I've heard of that. But Elbert County isn't too far from me.

Red county = Elbert. Black dot = DeKalb(Me)


You should drive down and take a picture. It's worth seeing, it's like the American Stonehenge (but not as cool as the real thing).

barnabas Posted at 12:48 pm on June 8, 2009
Quote: from medjai at 7:40 pm on June 6, 2009

It's really lame that only two people felt confident enough to respond to this, or among the people that were, only two people thought it was interesting.

I was too entertained by watching SpM and you argue with this guy.  

iamironman Posted at 9:33 pm on June 7, 2009
I'm pretty sure I've heard of that. But Elbert County isn't too far from me.

Red county = Elbert. Black dot = DeKalb(Me)

SpM Posted at 9:08 pm on June 7, 2009
Quote: from Ancient Rights at 3:04 pm on June 6, 2009

I suppose the simplest answer would be sentient thought. I believe the human race is capable of amazing things, if we don't destroy ourselves before reaching the pinnacle of what we could be.

The capacity itself is what amazes. Our brains are more complex than anything in the known universe, and our subjective consciousness has the remarkable ability of imparting meaning and value into an otherwise dead and arbitrary universe. We do not have to do anything, we do not have to become  or achieve anything, in order to be worth celebrating.

And yet you would wipe out 5 billion humans with their remarkable minds all in the name of an invented ideal. You would destroy 5 billion sources of value in order to achieve a state of affairs that is only valuable because you say it is. Whether we exist for another 1,000 years or another 1,000,000, we are an ephemeral blink in the grand scheme of things. There is no one in the sky tallying up our knowledge of the world and waiting to pat us on the back if we come to a certain apex. There is no high score to be reached and there is no collective consciousness striving for it. We are conscious as individuals and we are significant as individuals. Every member of your 5 billion can validly claim himself or herself to be the most important being in the universe, and you think the "future of the species" justifies extinguishing them.

Collectivism denies the real experience of consciousness. Once you or I are dead nothing matters. Once any individual dies nothing matters. Striving for the continuation of existing consciousness is striving for the continuation of meaning. Destroying existing consciousness in the name of meaning is absurd.

medjai Posted at 5:40 pm on June 6, 2009
It's really lame that only two people felt confident enough to respond to this, or among the people that were, only two people thought it was interesting.
Ancient Rights Posted at 7:04 am on June 6, 2009
Quote: from SpM at 8:56 am on June 6, 2009

Quote: from Ancient Rights at 2:44 pm on June 6, 2009

I stated I would do so to save the species. But I would give my allegiance to the men behind the scenes, but to the ideas of it all. A government effectively unifying man, a world court to replace war. This is just my interjection, but a universal language. If you could unite man instead of having him owe his allegiance to his country, to his family, or a religion, but to the species itself. To preserve the world so that it will always be around. It is buying the future with calculated movements instead of letting events pass as they please.

You are very difficult to talk to. If you must insist upon avoiding all direct questions via semantic quibbling, let me rephrase:

Why do you care about the species as a whole?


I suppose the simplest answer would be sentient thought. I believe the human race is capable of amazing things, if we don't destroy ourselves before reaching the pinnacle of what we could be.

SpM Posted at 6:56 am on June 6, 2009
Quote: from Ancient Rights at 2:44 pm on June 6, 2009

I stated I would do so to save the species. But I would give my allegiance to the men behind the scenes, but to the ideas of it all. A government effectively unifying man, a world court to replace war. This is just my interjection, but a universal language. If you could unite man instead of having him owe his allegiance to his country, to his family, or a religion, but to the species itself. To preserve the world so that it will always be around. It is buying the future with calculated movements instead of letting events pass as they please.

You are very difficult to talk to. If you must insist upon avoiding all direct questions via semantic quibbling, let me rephrase:

Why do you care about the species as a whole?

Ancient Rights Posted at 6:55 am on June 6, 2009
I would assume that the decline in total population ranging in the billions over the course of a few centuries would be enough to spur governments to start consolidating with one another, but the idea of a court that actually holds that power is the kicker. I don't see if happening unless the group responsible had deeply infiltrated every known government, and even then it is a long shot in the dark.
medjai Posted at 6:52 am on June 6, 2009
Before a World Court could truly be established there would need to be an incredibly significant and tremendous loss of life. I am speaking of a world court that literally holds authority over EVERY sovereign nation, or claims to.
Ancient Rights Posted at 6:44 am on June 6, 2009
Quote: from SpM at 8:31 am on June 6, 2009

Quote: from Ancient Rights at 2:23 pm on June 6, 2009

It was obvious that it was just to get me to imagine the numbers of people that would need to be "shot" in order for this to be accomplished. And I would shoot a friend, a sibling, a parent to save the species, or at least I would like to think I would have the resolve to do so.

Why do you offer such absolute allegiance to a taxonomic grouping of apes?

I stated I would do so to save the species. But I would give my allegiance to the men behind the scenes, but to the ideas of it all. A government effectively unifying man, a world court to replace war. This is just my interjection, but a universal language. If you could unite man instead of having him owe his allegiance to his country, to his family, or a religion, but to the species itself. To preserve the world so that it will always be around. It is buying the future with calculated movements instead of letting events pass as they please.

medjai Posted at 6:42 am on June 6, 2009
The system is designed in such a way as to create the illusion that it cannot be rejected by anyone in their right mind both rationally and morally.

Additionally, the average person would never believe it, as they believe such grand ambitions to be impossible, that no one would actually try it, let alone pass them from generation to generation until actual completion.

SpM Posted at 6:31 am on June 6, 2009
Quote: from Ancient Rights at 2:23 pm on June 6, 2009

It was obvious that it was just to get me to imagine the numbers of people that would need to be "shot" in order for this to be accomplished. And I would shoot a friend, a sibling, a parent to save the species, or at least I would like to think I would have the resolve to do so.

Why do you offer such absolute allegiance to a taxonomic grouping of apes?
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