Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Teens are not children! Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]WickedWiccan[/m] at 2:39 am on June 30, 2009[quote]This is longish but I want to say it. It upsets me that parents treat teenagers as though we were still children. I think this happens with guys and girls, but it's even worse with girls. You are told what you can and can't wear, and even if they don't stop you from wearing it they complain so much about it that it ends up stressing you. You can't get tattoos or piercings without getting an earful, and sometimes even talking about getting them is a huge crisis at home. They think they know what's best for you all the time and pass judgment on who you can or cannot date. They expect you to act responsibly but they don't let you make all the decisions that are about yourself and only yourself. They give you a curfew and if you're not back by that time you could get grounded. That basically means that you are a prisoner in your own house. Only it's not really your house because you don't decide any of the important things that happen in it. They can decide to take your cell phone, camera, or computer away if they think you don't deserve to have the right to use them. I think that's the same as if they told a 6-year old that they can't have ice cream because they were bad. You have no rights! They don't think you have the right to decide when you want to have sex and with whom because they say you don't have the psychological and emotional maturity to make those decisions. To me that really means that they think your brain is underdeveloped and that you have an inferior intellect. I think that if parents want us to act responsibly they have to let us make our own decisions and not the decisions they want us to make. If you screw up really bad you learn not to do something again. But sometimes you do things only because you know they don't want you to do them and that's not a good thing to do. Sometimes you make good decisions but have to do things so that they don't find out and everything feels wrong because it has to be a secret. I haven't had sex yet. The only reason why I haven't had sex yet is because I've decided not to. But if I decide to have sex with anyone it should be my decision and I shouldn't have to consult it with anybody else except the person I'm going to have sex with. Children can't make that decision but teens know what sex is and even what the consequences could be. Even if a teen says yes to sex the other person could get into a lot of trouble because they see you as a child who is an idiot who can't say yes, even if nobody forced you. Having sex as a teen should only be illegal if you are raped or if you rape somebody else. Making it illegal forces anybody to have to do it in secret and make a lot of mistakes they wouldn't make if they could be open about it. I know that not all "adults" make the right decisions about their jobs, spending, or sex but nobody thinks they should be grounded or lose the right to the car for screwing up. No. They call that life experiences. But some of them act just as stupidly as they think we do. They say we can't make decisions because we have no life experience but, how are we supposed to get experiences if they don't let us HAVE experiences? That's it. I'm done.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post WickedWiccan Posted at 2:39 am on June 30, 2009 This is longish but I want to say it. It upsets me that parents treat teenagers as though we were still children. I think this happens with guys and girls, but it's even worse with girls. You are told what you can and can't wear, and even if they don't stop you from wearing it they complain so much about it that it ends up stressing you. You can't get tattoos or piercings without getting an earful, and sometimes even talking about getting them is a huge crisis at home. They think they know what's best for you all the time and pass judgment on who you can or cannot date. They expect you to act responsibly but they don't let you make all the decisions that are about yourself and only yourself. They give you a curfew and if you're not back by that time you could get grounded. That basically means that you are a prisoner in your own house. Only it's not really your house because you don't decide any of the important things that happen in it. They can decide to take your cell phone, camera, or computer away if they think you don't deserve to have the right to use them. I think that's the same as if they told a 6-year old that they can't have ice cream because they were bad. You have no rights! They don't think you have the right to decide when you want to have sex and with whom because they say you don't have the psychological and emotional maturity to make those decisions. To me that really means that they think your brain is underdeveloped and that you have an inferior intellect. I think that if parents want us to act responsibly they have to let us make our own decisions and not the decisions they want us to make. If you screw up really bad you learn not to do something again. But sometimes you do things only because you know they don't want you to do them and that's not a good thing to do. Sometimes you make good decisions but have to do things so that they don't find out and everything feels wrong because it has to be a secret. I haven't had sex yet. The only reason why I haven't had sex yet is because I've decided not to. But if I decide to have sex with anyone it should be my decision and I shouldn't have to consult it with anybody else except the person I'm going to have sex with. Children can't make that decision but teens know what sex is and even what the consequences could be. Even if a teen says yes to sex the other person could get into a lot of trouble because they see you as a child who is an idiot who can't say yes, even if nobody forced you. Having sex as a teen should only be illegal if you are raped or if you rape somebody else. Making it illegal forces anybody to have to do it in secret and make a lot of mistakes they wouldn't make if they could be open about it. I know that not all "adults" make the right decisions about their jobs, spending, or sex but nobody thinks they should be grounded or lose the right to the car for screwing up. No. They call that life experiences. But some of them act just as stupidly as they think we do. They say we can't make decisions because we have no life experience but, how are we supposed to get experiences if they don't let us HAVE experiences? That's it. I'm done.

Replies mbs55 Posted at 8:41 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from revived5656 at 5:55 am on June 30, 2009 we are adults. We are certainly NOT adults. Placebo Effect Posted at 1:03 am on July 6, 2009 Quote: from awesome10 at 8:48 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Placebo Effect at 2:44 pm on July 2, 2009 "If a teenager who has a child has a middle class-wealthy family and a family member that could look after the child when the teenager cannot i don't see the negative impact it could have on the teenager.  "        wtf?      Really? You dont see the negative impact of a child having a child? You dont see whats wrong with the fact its not ok for someone who cant even raise themselves to have another person to take care of?      Oh you think that is what a family member is for. Regardless of economic status. Its wrong.      Yes sex does not necessarily mean a baby. Thats beside the fact that, that could be the outcome.      It doesnt matter how many examples of teenage pregnancy went fine, that you have seen.      Its the fact that, you can tell she is a child. Period. The fact that she is so up in arms about not having the same rights as some one who is an adult.      Fuck age. Age is a number. Adulthood and maturity come with experience. And you can get plenty of that without having a child, without bitching about sexual consent. Without bitching about curfew.      Whatever. Im sick of writing about how children dont understand shit. They and you people hate to hear it, but guess what?      You will understand when you are older. Hopefully, thats saying that they mature and learn from their lessons and their parents who obviously aren't in the wrong. Okay then, What is the negative impact? Say i decide to have a kid at this age (16). My family is relatively wealthy so money is not an issue which means i can provide food, clothes, shelter and pretty much anything else that is needed. When i am at school i can have my mother look after the child, when i am out of school i can look after the child.   What is the negative impact? I'm not saying that every scenario would be like mine but explain why mine would be negative. Regardless of economic status. Its wrong. What is wrong about it?     It's my opinion that a child should be raised by his own parents not his/her grand parents. Just because the daughter didnt want to be safe and use protection, that doesnt mean that good ol mom gets to take care of the child. How is that right? You haven't even passed English 4 but yet you can raise a child. You haven't had any real life experience but yet its okay to have a baby. You dont even know what its like, to not give up your time to the school system. Its not right that the grandma has to raise the child. Plus, as far as bonding goes, its like wtf. Miss his/her first step, first words, first everything most likely on top of everything else. If you can't understand my reasons or any other reasons why it would not be 'ok' to have a baby at 16, well then you clearly aren't mature enough to have one.   awesome10 Posted at 5:26 am on July 5, 2009 Quote: from StraitjacketJunky at 9:21 am on July 4, 2009 I can just hear "its mai body and i can do wut evr i wnt wit it!!!!!!!!!!!!11111". LOL, i know who you are talking about and child or not that person should be force-steralized. StraitjacketJunky Posted at 9:21 am on July 4, 2009 I can just hear "its mai body and i can do wut evr i wnt wit it!!!!!!!!!!!!11111". awesome10 Posted at 8:48 am on July 4, 2009 Quote: from Placebo Effect at 2:44 pm on July 2, 2009 "If a teenager who has a child has a middle class-wealthy family and a family member that could look after the child when the teenager cannot i don't see the negative impact it could have on the teenager. " wtf?   Really? You dont see the negative impact of a child having a child? You dont see whats wrong with the fact its not ok for someone who cant even raise themselves to have another person to take care of? Oh you think that is what a family member is for. Regardless of economic status. Its wrong. Yes sex does not necessarily mean a baby. Thats beside the fact that, that could be the outcome. It doesnt matter how many examples of teenage pregnancy went fine, that you have seen. Its the fact that, you can tell she is a child. Period. The fact that she is so up in arms about not having the same rights as some one who is an adult. Fuck age. Age is a number. Adulthood and maturity come with experience. And you can get plenty of that without having a child, without bitching about sexual consent. Without bitching about curfew. Whatever. Im sick of writing about how children dont understand shit. They and you people hate to hear it, but guess what? You will understand when you are older. Hopefully, thats saying that they mature and learn from their lessons and their parents who obviously aren't in the wrong.   Okay then, What is the negative impact? Say i decide to have a kid at this age (16). My family is relatively wealthy so money is not an issue which means i can provide food, clothes, shelter and pretty much anything else that is needed. When i am at school i can have my mother look after the child, when i am out of school i can look after the child. What is the negative impact? I'm not saying that every scenario would be like mine but explain why mine would be negative. Regardless of economic status. Its wrong. What is wrong about it? RayOrama Posted at 10:16 am on July 3, 2009 I agree with the poster. We're seen as children and treated as children so a lot of teenagers act as if they are. I get what the other people are saying that we're not adults. That's obvious but not being adults doesn't mean we're children. That's why the three stages have different names. WickedWiccan Posted at 9:54 am on July 3, 2009 Quote: from Placebo Effect at 5:44 pm on July 2, 2009 "If a teenager who has a child has a middle class-wealthy family and a family member that could look after the child when the teenager cannot i don't see the negative impact it could have on the teenager. " wtf?   Really? You dont see the negative impact of a child having a child? You dont see whats wrong with the fact its not ok for someone who cant even raise themselves to have another person to take care of? Oh you think that is what a family member is for. Regardless of economic status. Its wrong. Yes sex does not necessarily mean a baby. Thats beside the fact that, that could be the outcome. It doesnt matter how many examples of teenage pregnancy went fine, that you have seen. Its the fact that, you can tell she is a child. Period. The fact that she is so up in arms about not having the same rights as some one who is an adult. Fuck age. Age is a number. Adulthood and maturity come with experience. And you can get plenty of that without having a child, without bitching about sexual consent. Without bitching about curfew. Whatever. Im sick of writing about how children dont understand shit. They and you people hate to hear it, but guess what? You will understand when you are older. Hopefully, thats saying that they mature and learn from their lessons and their parents who obviously aren't in the wrong.   You only focused on sex and having kids. You ignored all my other points because they are not convenient. That's Okay. I'm not surprised. I'm done trying to argue this with people who have their mind set and refuse to listen. I'm sure that's a sign of maturity. Placebo Effect Posted at 2:44 pm on July 2, 2009 "If a teenager who has a child has a middle class-wealthy family and a family member that could look after the child when the teenager cannot i don't see the negative impact it could have on the teenager.  "   wtf? Really? You dont see the negative impact of a child having a child? You dont see whats wrong with the fact its not ok for someone who cant even raise themselves to have another person to take care of?   Oh you think that is what a family member is for. Regardless of economic status. Its wrong.   Yes sex does not necessarily mean a baby. Thats beside the fact that, that could be the outcome.   It doesnt matter how many examples of teenage pregnancy went fine, that you have seen.   Its the fact that, you can tell she is a child. Period. The fact that she is so up in arms about not having the same rights as some one who is an adult.   Fuck age. Age is a number. Adulthood and maturity come with experience. And you can get plenty of that without having a child, without bitching about sexual consent. Without bitching about curfew.   Whatever. Im sick of writing about how children dont understand shit. They and you people hate to hear it, but guess what?   You will understand when you are older. Hopefully, thats saying that they mature and learn from their lessons and their parents who obviously aren't in the wrong. awesome10 Posted at 9:06 am on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Placebo Effect at 3:01 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from awesome10 at 2:50 am on June 30, 2009 I disagree with some of your post although i agree with the age of consent rant.  The age of consent needs to be changed, it doesn't have much to do with age but more to do with maturity of the person in question. " They don't think you have the right to decide when you want to have sex and with whom because they say you don't have the psychological and emotional maturity to make those decisions. To me that really means that they think your brain is underdeveloped and that you have an inferior intellect. "   Both wrong.   Its not that parents want you to wait cuz they think you are stupid or can't handle it psychological. Its the repercussions of your actions you dont fully understand.   While you are underage, you do not have the responsibility of life. You dont even have to buy your own clothes or food. How is it ok to put the responsibility of sex/baby in your own hands. Lord knows you can't handle it. No matter how strong or responsible you thin k you are. You're not.   You would in no way be able to handle a baby. The bills. And the responsibility of life. That's why you must grow up and learn how to. All you know how to do is go to school and do homework. Awesome keep it up.   You need skills and a path before you can take matters into your own hands. Would you want to have a child one day and have them tell you that they know it all. That they are able to have sex and go out and make their own curfew. When you are their parent Its you rules. You wouldnt want to have to pay for your child's mistake because they couldn't listen to you. As far as tattoos and piercings. No again. They want you to understand that one day you will feel different. You just will. You will wonder why you ever stuck a piece of metal through your body or ever got that tattoo of a star on your hip. etc. etc.   The rules are their for you to understand that you cant break them. Real life has the same rules. In a round about way. You need to understand if you break their rules there will be consequences as in the real world.   Everything they do is to prepare you. You have no idea. And the day you realize why they do what they do, You'll be like "ohhhhhhhhhhh". It will be a good day.   I disagree with you on a few aspects of your post. I never mentioned anything about a child, having a child would depend on the person in questions mentality and their financial situation. If a teenager who has a child has a middle class-wealthy family and a family member that could look after the child when the teenager cannot i don't see the negative impact it could have on the teenager. I know a woman (she is now 30) who had a child when she was 17, She and her child turned out just fine and live a perfectly normal, healthy life. The things you mentioned are not limited to only teenagers, i have seen people who are well into adulthood and have had children and cannot look after them. Sexual intercourse doesn't = reproduction. Anyway the age of consent in my country (Australia) is 16. WickedWiccan Posted at 4:40 pm on June 30, 2009 Quote: from sakurag at 3:26 pm on June 30, 2009 You're a child, that's the way it is.  Just because you think you know better, and come up with a billion reasons why you should get whatever you want, you'll always be wrong.   This isn't about maturity, is it?  It's about your parents not doing or agreeing with your actions.  Plain and simple...  None of their 'rules' you've mentioned are unreasonable.. maybe you're intolerant. I'm not intolerant, they are. And I'm not a child, I'm a teenager. Childhood and Teenage are two very different stages in a person's life. That's why there are different names for both, because both are VERY different. I don't expect to be treated as an adult because legally and chronologically I'm not. I understand that. But because I'm not a child I expect not to be treated as one. This is not about maturity as much as the perception of maturity. Adults think they are mature simply because they are adults. That's not always true. Teenagers are not always immature and irresponsible simply because we are teenagers either. To the poster who said "if you want to be a whore," when did I say that I wanted to be one? I haven't had sex and don't plan on having it any time soon either. Even if I did, I do not want a baby. Not because I am immature and have no way of dealing with it, but because it's a choice. Just as adults decide when they want and don't want to have children. Parents have no right whatsoever to treat a teenager as if they own him or her, period. Forcing anybody to do whatever you say just because you have the legal power to do it isn't teaching and it's not appreciated. And when it comes to adult not being a specific age, as someone said above, the fact is that it IS about age. It's an arbitrary age. And that age does not guarantee that all of a sudden you are this mature, responsible, and wise human being. eightTEEN and nineTEEN are still teens, but all of a sudden, because someone decided it you are now seen as able to make your own decisions. The ONLY reason why eighteen-year olds are considered "adults" is because of wars. You have the right to join the army and kill others. That is ALL that being an adult at eighTEEN is all about. That means that the government thinks you are good enough to kill other people, but not old enough to smoke or sign contracts in some states. So in a way you are still not responsible enough to make those decisions? Who makes these decisions and how do they make sense? sakurag Posted at 12:26 pm on June 30, 2009 You're a child, that's the way it is.  Just because you think you know better, and come up with a billion reasons why you should get whatever you want, you'll always be wrong. This isn't about maturity, is it?  It's about your parents not doing or agreeing with your actions.  Plain and simple...  None of their 'rules' you've mentioned are unreasonable.. maybe you're intolerant. SAMMYJS99 Posted at 11:51 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from Dyreft at 12:45 pm on June 30, 2009 Hell if you were my kid I'd throw you out on the streets and never let you back in. AS LONG AS THEY ARE UNDER 18, if you were to do that, then you have 1 of 2 options: either A. let your kid back in and spare yourself going to jail, or B. deal with being behind bars. Dyreft Posted at 9:45 am on June 30, 2009 Parents understand just fine. If you want to be a slut, whore or some other thing you can do it. Just don't expect your parents to ever like you or look at you same again. Hell if you were my kid I'd throw you out on the streets and never let you back in. SAMMYJS99 Posted at 8:10 am on June 30, 2009 Quote: from Takinam at 10:54 am on June 30, 2009 As long as you live under my roof, you do whatever the fuck I say. - My Mom Deal with it, OP, or get the fuck out. If I ever have a daughter and she talks shit to me, I'll knee her in the face and remind her that she can leave my fucking house at any time. My parents did that to me this year (minus the knee; she threw a chair and I dodged)! It 'll be like this.. " Daddy, can I wear this top?" " I don't want you looking like a whore. I raised you to be a doctor, not a whore. Get something else. " " But daddy..I have a date.." " And if you put on that top, you'll go on your date and I'll lock that door, and your shit will be outside waiting for you, k? Good, problem solved. *reads newspaper* Oh, and be back at 9, you have piano lessons. " " But..but..daddy.." "Shut your fucking mouth. Go before I regret your existence as my child. And wear your chastity belt. " AND THE ARGUMENT CONTINUES....... As will smith said it best, "parent just don't understand". Takinam Posted at 7:54 am on June 30, 2009 As long as you live under my roof, you do whatever the fuck I say. - My Mom Deal with it, OP, or get the fuck out. If I ever have a daughter and she talks shit to me, I'll knee her in the face and remind her that she can leave my fucking house at any time. My parents did that to me this year (minus the knee; she threw a chair and I dodged)! It 'll be like this.. " Daddy, can I wear this top?" " I don't want you looking like a whore. I raised you to be a doctor, not a whore. Get something else. " " But daddy..I have a date.." " And if you put on that top, you'll go on your date and I'll lock that door, and your shit will be outside waiting for you, k? Good, problem solved. *reads newspaper* Oh, and be back at 9, you have piano lessons. " " But..but..daddy.." "Shut your fucking mouth. Go before I regret your existence as my child. And wear your chastity belt. " Most recent 15 of 38 previous replies displayed.