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ronpaul691 Posted at 7:04 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

Wood Sandals

Statues and statuettes of Tutankhamun from the tomb show him wearing golden sandals. These sandals are made of wood and overlaid with a marquetry veneer of bark, green leather, and gold foil on a stucco base. The outer soles are covered with white stucco. The straps over the insteps are of bark ornamented with a diaper pattern in gold foil. On the inner sole are figures of Negro and Asiatic captives bound with stems of lotus and papyrus. Above and below are groups of four bows which together with the captives, represent the nine traditional enemies of Egypt whom the king symbolically trod underfoot when wearing the sandals. The device had a long history dating back more than a thousand years.

http://www.touregypt.net/Museum/tutl22.htm

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Expando1 Posted at 10:47 pm on Jan. 10, 2009
Quote: from Afu at 9:00 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

How does this prove he didnt like balck people?

that

everyone who was captured by military campaign was a slave
what you happen to look like was irrelevant

kidd rune Posted at 11:55 am on Jan. 7, 2009

They simply named some of his features.
Yes, his features were predominantly Caucasoid.

Anthropologists can look at a preserved skull and tell what race it's from easily.

Let's say he WAS mixed - but that's besides the fact that:
1. His features were predominantly Caucasoid and it's safe to conclude that his genome was too.
2. There were Caucasoid people present in Egypt.
3. Some of these Caucasoid people were in the ruling class.


More evidence for inconclusive race results.
Well, skin is entirely irrelevant first off.
Next, I agree that it's not a perfect specimen.
I agree that the fat folds and whatnot weren't preserved.

But no doubt he was predominantly Caucasoid.


So, they reconstructed his face and made it so they could try a validation of the scientific process.
Anyone else got anything better?
The Americans didn't know what they were reconstructing - keep in mind.


And I don't remember Tut hatefully leading anyone against Semites and Nubians. Stop inserting your own little opinions in the topic.
I'm saying he LED the Egyptians (Being Pharaoh and all) and the Egyptians weren't too friendly towards Semitic and Negroid peoples.

You can see from the pictures of his tomb!
Pictures of Negroid and Semitic slaves.
Him having the "Enemies of Egypt" (Semitic and Negroid slaves) on his walking stick.

Much evidence.


That recreation of King Tut makes him look black. If he's white, then shit, so EW me, Lisa Bonet and all them.
No it doesn't.
What do you call "Black?"

The jawbone is entirely Caucasoid in every way.
His nose isn't perfectly preserved, but there's no way it was of the average Negro.

The skin color was added and don't be a dipshit and use that as any evidence (The Americans actually ignored skin color - the picture you see with it only added it with the averages of Egyptians).

His cheekbones are of Caucasoid stock also.

That flat head is no doubt North-African Caucasoid - though many of them have mixed with Negroes over the years to give them that effect (Regardless, it's not a Negroid trait).

But I'm sure the Egyptians, French, and Americans made him look "Black" so their years of college experience can lead them to classify him as "Caucasoid." =)

Mochaa Posted at 7:40 pm on Jan. 6, 2009
That recreation of King Tut makes him look black. If he's white, then shit, so EW me, Lisa Bonet and all them.
Takinam Posted at 7:27 pm on Jan. 6, 2009

 
It could also be possible he was mixed. The French, Egyptian, and American anthropologists said he was Caucasoid.

They simply named some of his features.

"The features of [Tutankhamen's] face are based on scientific data. But the exact color of his skin and the size and shape of many facial details cannot be determined with full certainty."
^
More evidence for inconclusive race results.

"Scientists have not been able to retrieve much DNA evidence from Tut or other mummies."
^
More evidence for inconclusive race results.

"Two of the teams -- one Egyptian and one French -- knew Tut's identity, while Anton's American team did not."
^
So, they reconstructed his face and made it so they could try a validation of the scientific process.

---


And I don't remember Tut hatefully leading anyone against Semites and Nubians. Stop inserting your own little opinions in the topic.


kidd rune Posted at 5:10 pm on Jan. 6, 2009

I was gonna mention that, too. All anyone can do to determine what his skin color was is go "Oh, he's from Northern Egypt, so let's just slap on the middle tone for Northern Egyptians, 'cause we really don't know, and medians are always good." Pretty safe to assume he wasn't black, though. Unless he was all self loathing and shit, which is possible, I guess, but probably not. Plus, on that chest of his he's, you know, lighter.
The Egyptians portrayed males as darker skinned and females as light skinned.

As you know that's impossible for the same people to have such differing skin tones.

Regardless - skin does not define race and it never will.

Yummie Strawberries Posted at 5:06 pm on Jan. 6, 2009
Quote: from kidd rune at 5:21 am on Jan. 6, 2009

Stuffstuffstuff.

And here it says skin was just a guess!
"Sculptor Elisabeth Daynès used glass eyes and implanted hair for this reconstruction of Tutankhamun. Skin tone, which could have varied from very dark to very light, was based on an average shade of modern Egyptians"


I was gonna mention that, too. All anyone can do to determine what his skin color was is go "Oh, he's from Northern Egypt, so let's just slap on the middle tone for Northern Egyptians, 'cause we really don't know, and medians are always good." Pretty safe to assume he wasn't black, though. Unless he was all self loathing and shit, which is possible, I guess, but probably not. Plus, on that chest of his he's, you know, lighter.

kidd rune Posted at 4:25 pm on Jan. 6, 2009

yes explain
Well it's more focused towards Egypt itself viewing Semites and Nubians hatefully.

And he kind of led them.



It could also be possible he was mixed.  
The French, Egyptian, and American anthropologists said he was Caucasoid.
Afu Posted at 1:20 pm on Jan. 6, 2009
It could also be possible he was mixed.
Tyrant Posted at 3:09 am on Jan. 6, 2009
Quote: from Afu at 11:00 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

How does this prove he didnt like balck people?

yes explain

kidd rune Posted at 2:21 am on Jan. 6, 2009

Tuts ecclesiastical throne - assembled


Footstool - bound Semitic and Negro slaves


I'm amazed you didn't mention this:

Semitic and Negro slaves on his walking stick - most likely to "hold the enemies of Egypt in his palm."


Larger image of the sandals:



Tut's famous wooden chest.
It shows him riding a chariot and trampling the "Nine Bows" or enemies of Egypt: Blacks and Semites.


i thought that king tut was black himself?
That wouldn't make two shits worth of sense.
But it has been proven that he's not Black.

"The three teams created their reconstructions separately -- the Americans and French working from a plastic skull, the Egyptians working directly from the CT scans, which could distinguish different densities of soft tissue and bone.
"The French and Egyptians knew they were recreating King Tut, but the Americans were not even told where the skull was from and correctly identified it as a Caucasoid North African, the council said in a statement.
"The results of the three teams were identical or very similar in the basic shape of the face, the size, shape and setting of the eyes, and the proportion of the skull," Hawass said.
"The French and American models, seen in photos released by the council, are similar -- with the Americans' plaster model sharing the more realistic, French silicone version's receding chin and prominent upper lip. The Egyptian reconstruction has a more prominent nose and a stronger jaw and chin."

- Forensic reconstruction of King Tut shows for the first time what boy pharaoh looked like, Associated Press, May 10, 2005, http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/05/11/special_reports/science_technology/11_16_275_10_05.txt

By the way this is the US version - notice the lack of skin color because it's impossible to know.

"Race was "the hardest call." The shape of the cranial cavity indicated an African, while the nose opening suggested narrow nostrils — a European characteristic. The skull was a North African.
The resulting plaster cast is perhaps midway between the square-jawed, high-cheekboned Egyptian Tut, and the strikingly androgynous French Tut."

- Seeing King Tut for the first time, Houston Chronicle, May 10, 2005, http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3176462

And here it says skin was just a guess!
"Sculptor Elisabeth Daynès used glass eyes and implanted hair for this reconstruction of Tutankhamun. Skin tone, which could have varied from very dark to very light, was based on an average shade of modern Egyptians"

- King Tut's New Face: Behind the Forensic Reconstruction,

National Geographic News May 11, 2005
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/photogalleries/tut_mummy/photo6.html

Takinam Posted at 11:23 pm on Jan. 5, 2009
What is the point of these continious farces?

Are you trying to educate or annoy us?

This is neither here nor there on the issue of King Tut's ancestry. The Egyptian language is similarly Afro-Asiatic, and if those people are of the same ilk, perhaps there is a connection firm enough to draw a conclusion. Servants to the king, perhaps?

Quote: from Yummie Strawberries at 9:00 pm on Jan. 5, 2009


Quote: from agerask at 10:07 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

i thought that king tut was black himself?

His skin color is unknown. He was from Egypt, and Egyptians have a very wide range of skin colors. Some of them are light enough to pass for European, and others are very dark skinned. So it's quite possible that Tut was light skinned and had some sort of prejudice against darker skinned people, perhaps even those from his own country.


I think you are drawing conjecture here. We do not know if Egyptians were of differing skin tone or if they were light enough to pass for European or dark enough to pass for more southern African. All we know is that Egyptians spoke an Afro-Asiatic language and that his servants were Afro-Asiatic.

I do not think there was any prejudice as the people are presumably Afro-Asiatic, which would mean they wouldn't all be of the same tone. He is a Pharoah, perhaps he deemed himself superior to all those below him. Perhaps a caste system existed like in India.

Yummie Strawberries Posted at 9:00 pm on Jan. 5, 2009
Quote: from agerask at 10:07 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

i thought that king tut was black himself?

His skin color is unknown. He was from Egypt, and Egyptians have a very wide range of skin colors. Some of them are light enough to pass for European, and others are very dark skinned. So it's quite possible that Tut was light skinned and had some sort of prejudice against darker skinned people, perhaps even those from his own country.

Afu Posted at 9:00 pm on Jan. 5, 2009
How does this prove he didnt like balck people?
whoisabs Posted at 7:20 pm on Jan. 5, 2009
By educating you mean to say spread misinformation?
StopXXwatch Posted at 7:19 pm on Jan. 5, 2009
Quote: from whoisabs at 7:16 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

Quote: from StopXXwatch at 7:15 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

Quote: from agerask at 7:07 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

i thought that king tut was black himself?
 

 Yeah he was African so....this whole topic seems really unreliable. He probably didnt hate black people as a whole. Probably just people from a certain country that are back. And same with the Asian people.


Typical racist is too stupid to understand that Africa =/= black people.


I'm not sure if you're attacking me or not? I'm not a racist. Just an outspoken person who enjoys educating the ignorant.

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