Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Why? whites complain? Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]kidd rune[/m] at 5:08 pm on Jan. 6, 2009[quote][quote] And your dad can't be the amn of the house? [/quote]What does that have to do with anything at all. If someone wants to harm my family it doesn't matter who's in charge. [quote] oh you mean you believe that 90% can instead of 100%? [/quote]I don't have a percentage. But I don't think it's as high as 90. [quote] Is that why you bring it up in emany of the threads you post in?  - [/quote]My life isn't centered around this forum. I can make all my posts about one thing. It doesn't mean anything about me in real life. [quote] You've said the only reason to have them in the US is as slaves [/quote]They were BROUGHT to be slaves - nothing more. I don't want slaves - I've also said this. Nor do I really want them in the USA either. I don't want Whites in the USA either. But I guess you missed that part. [quote] Still the vague reference of "they". Some say it. not all of them. Many in the US considere themselves white . Still lying huh. [/quote]You can consider yourself White but that means nothing. [img]http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7809/moussaouizq4.jpg[/img] This man would be considered "White" by US standards. But he clearly isn't. [quote]yes thats a FEW Many jews consider themselves caucasian. [/quote]Jews are mostly Caucasian. Doesn't make them White. [quote] oh right so it means they represent ALL jews of course...But hey since you want to just use quotes as proof then [/quote]That's funny how they call Ashkenazis Alpinoid. When they are clearly of Armenoid or Dinaric stock. Remember - Caucasoid and White are NOT the same thing. http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769/T4.expansion M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheimi, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne'-Tamir (2000) estimated that Ashkenazi male lineages are about 77% Jewish / Middle Eastern. A 23% European male admixture amounts to an accretion of less than 0.5% per generation [i]You can check the full text on the side if you want.[/i] A newer study claims even LOWER White/European admixture: [quote]admixture analysis . . . suggests that 5%-8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is . . . comprised of Y chromosomes that may have introgressed from non-Jewish European populations (Behar et al. Contrasting patterns of Y chromosome variation in Ashkenazi Jewish and host non-Jewish European populations.[/quote] -Human Genetics, March 2004, 114(4):354-65. Epub 2004 Jan 22 That's just Y-DNA though, what about mtDNA? Studies suggest it is Near-Eastern in origin - and only slightly European: [quote][b]While several Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA Hgs appear to derive from the Near East[/b], there is also evidence for a [b]low level of introgression from host European non-Jewish populations[/b]... diversity patterns provide evidence for a prolonged period of low effective size in the history of the Ashkenazi population. The data best fit a model of an early bottleneck (~100 generations ago), perhaps corresponding to initial migrations of ancestral Ashkenazim in the Near East or to Europe... The observed mutational frequency peak for the Ashkenazi and Near Eastern non-Jewish populations is similar and consistent with the age of the Pleistocene expansion, which is older than that inferred from the mutational frequency peak for European non- Jews. This is consistent with a Near East origin for a major portion of the Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA pool. (Behar et al. MtDNA evidence for a genetic bottleneck in the early history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population.[/quote]Behar etc. [u]MtDNA evidence for a genetic bottleneck in the early history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population[/u] January 14, 2004. Don't forget Autosomal markers! Carmelli and Cavalli-Sforza checked this out in 1979 and found that Jews cluster with Near Easterners. [quote]A wide scatter of the Jews was observed among clusters of non-Jews, probably due to drift [b][Note: Ashkenazis fall squarely within the Near Eastern cluster, with various Jewish isolates being the outliers][/b]. However, [i]the centroid of the Jewish populations mapped in the Middle East cluster[/i]... We can conclude by using Rh and Hp frequencies that the Jewish populations show a greater similarity to their ancestral origin. According to Mourant et al. (1976), "Jews from Europe, almost indistinguishable from their European non-Jewish neighbors by their ABO and MN groups, show by their Rh groups that physically they are more nearly related to their Mediterranean ancestors.[/quote] They did conclude that that Ashkenazi Jews have "Significant" European admixture - funny how I don't deny this. But it has to be known that 1/2 the markers in this study involved the ABO and MN blood groups They even said "it should also be noted that if genetic similarity between a Jewish group and non-Jewish groups living in the same geographic area is restricted to one or a few loci, it is not observed at most other loci; [u]the more likely interpretation calls for convergent selection at that locus rather than for admixture[/u]. Thus, single locus studes are potentially misleading. Unfortunately, [b]the number of loci studied here is not large[/b]." In 1980, Motulsky used a larger number of markers and estimated that Ashkenazis have at most 12.5% European admixture. Carleton Coon, author of [u]The Races of Europe[/u] says that Jews "have their 'look,' a part of their cultural heritage that both preserves and expresses their cultural solidarity . . . they have developed a special racial sub-type and a special pattern of facial and bodily expression." I can help you get an eBook of TROE if you need it. More info: [link]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4015030?dopt=Abstract[/link] [b]A morphological approach to the problem of the biological similarity of Jewish and non-Jewish populations[/b] [quote]Kobyliansky E, Livshits G. The genetic kinship between various Jewish and non-Jewish groups, from the biochemical standpoint, has been much investigated, frequently with very contradictory conclusions. The present paper reports the results of [u]two comparative analyses of several Jewish and non-Jewish populations as based on morphological measurements[/u] of adult males. The first analysis employed data on Jewish and non-Jewish communities from five geographic regions of the world. The dendrogram resulting from the [u]cluster analysis clearly indicates that Jewish populations are much closer to one another than to non-Jewish neighbour groups[/u]. In the second analysis, 25 ethnoterritorial groups of the USSR (one Jewish and the rest non-Jewish) were evaluated on the basis of 27 anthropometric characters. [b]The latter Jewish group was markedly separate from the other 24 ethnic groups[/b], and especially distinct when only traits with high coefficients of heritability were employed.[/quote] ALSO [link]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3740251&dopt=Abstract[/link] [b]Affinities between contemporary and skeletal Jewish and non-Jewish groups based on tooth morphology[/b] [i]Sofaer JA, Smith P, Kaye E.[/i] [quote]Samples from five Jewish and six non-Jewish populations were compared in terms of the frequencies of 19 dental morphological variables. All but one of the samples came from Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East. Nine were from contemporary populations, and two were skeletal. Of the skeletal groups, one was Jewish, excavated on Mount Zion, Jerusalem, and dated at around 3,000 years old; and the other non-Jewish, excavated on the east coast of Australia, and dated at between 1,000 and 200 years old. Assessment of affinity between the different groups was based on smallest space analysis and cluster analysis. The results demonstrated [b]relative proximity of the Jewish groups (with one exception), despite the fact that they came from a wide geographical area[/b]. In particular, [b]the sample from Mount Zion showed greater affinity with three of the four living Jewish populations than with most non-Jewish groups.[/b] The skeletal Australian sample formed a cluster of its own, distinct from all the other groups. For six of the groups, the relationships based on tooth morphology showed good correspondence with known relationships based on single locus polymorphisms. The similarity of the Jewish groups to each other in terms of both tooth morphology and single locus polymorphisms was of special interest, since [b]differences in other morphological and anthropometric characteristics, thought to be the result of selection, are known to exist between the Jewish populations.[/b][/quote] If you are implying that the average Ashkenazi Jew is physically indistinguishable from any non-Jewish European groups - get new glasses or learn to see people past skin color. More reading on the subject: http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/dynapage.taf?file=/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/5201156a.html http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/12/6769 http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v69n5/013033/013033.html http://www26.brinkster.com/archived/viewnews.asp?newsID=154064357281 http://www26.brinkster.com/archived/viewnews.asp?newsID=642193019390 I didn't use this site for a source and I haven't checked it out much, but it's dedicated to Russian Jewish genetics: http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html [quote]Why do I have to. Im not the one claiming that Nazism =/= National Socialism. You are the one making the claim. Explain the difference. Or maybe you don't know yourself? Or maybe you're scared of sharing it? [/quote]Because: I can't define Nazism for you. I am trying to compare my beliefs to what YOU (AND ONLY YOU) think Nazism is. Not what I think it is. [quote]So Nazism doesn't exist?[/quote]Just because I don't follow Nazism doesn't mean it doesn't exist. [quote]I am not a Nazi or a National Socialist. Whatever I would come up with is irrelevant. You don't need my version. All you have to do to explain the differnce is simply 1. Define what Nazism is to YOU. 2. Define what National Socialism is to YOU 3. Then tell the difference If we don't even agree on #1 or 2  then #3 is boud to come out wrong anyway. But if YOU tell me what is your definition of #1 and #2 are then #3 will be pretty obvious. Its pure logic. [/quote]Alright you want MY definition of Nazism? Then wait for it - I'll make a whole topic about it or maybe just PM you. But, keep in mind, much of what I'd consider "Nazism" is not what you would. [quote] What do you care what I even think? its never stopped you from spewing out your theories/defintions before. Whether I do agree with your versions of nazism or not is irrelevant if the conclusion follows correctly. Even if I think your version is incorrect then at least I know WHY you think its different. But I can't determine that if you keep hiding like a scared little chicken. [/quote]You told me to compare National Socialism to Nazism. You never defined Nazism. Now you tell ME to do it. Now I know. [quote] because you are not the expert on everything Nazi. Or are you?  [/quote]I am not the expert of everything Nazi, no. [quote] Its the one in usage. [/quote]It's definition goes against what it logically says. So it's a pointless thing to call someone if they don't deny the Holocaust at all. [quote]All history is filled with revisionism anyway so that word has little meaning. People have been "revising" what happened during the crusades for years. Few people ever said the crusades never occured or never amounted in much killing. No respectable historian or scholar ever did. If they do I'd call them "Crusade deniers". [/quote]Revisionism isn't just changing a few dates and names. Revision is to take a historical claim and turn it on itself and express something different. Revision would be going back against historical claims and saying that one important battle 10 thousand years ago was actually won by so-and-so army and lost by the other, instead of vice versa. [quote]You can't even tell the difference between 1. sarcastic posts (you often take it at face value) and serious posts 2. rhethorical questions (you often try to reply to them) and real questions 3. jokes (you answer seriously with "No I didn't!") and insults 4. important points and unimportant ones [/quote]How do you know my posts are serious when yours aren't? [quote]Sure thats why you keep nitpicking at them on and on...[/quote]So much bullshit I can't keep up with it in one reply. [quote] Will they be allowed a work permit for 5 years? [/quote]Yes. But once they retire - bye bye. [quote] Show me where I said it was wrong. Me Im all for it But YOU said ... Unless you are trying to say that language has NOTHING to do with culture (and I know you don't) then he DID BRING HIS CULTURE OUTSIDE HIS HOME Except if you really think that Taiwan University was his home...[/quote]Mistake: Did he influence others with his culture forcefully or did people have the CHOICE to experience it? [quote]So you DO AGREE that Spanish classes are fine? BTW English is a requirement for Taiwanese students. Guess why. [/quote]Spanish classes are fine you just shouldn't be forced to take it. And it's not my fault they are forced to take English. I didn't tell them to. And I didn't know Graf taught English :D [quote] Irrelevant. You onlt spoke of bringing and practicing culture outside the home. [/quote]It isn't. The main reason I oppose non-White immigration to White areas is because they bring and practice their culture and influence the other cultures of the area FORCEFULLY. They also multiply and make the White population a lower percentage. And they mix. [quote]So? At least she knew English. Was Graf's chinese expert-level? [/quote]He spoke it. He speaks 15 languages too. Though he didn't say how good it was - usually people can pick up other languages easier after they learn a few. [quote] Oh BTW  hers another little gem of BS you had {SNIP} see so he wasn't  LIVING when he was in Taiwan. He probably "spent his time" in suspended animation The definition we use in the English language for "Living" in our context is this one {SNIP} There is NOTHING in this definition that makes ANY difference between temporary or permanent residence since "dwell" means existing in a given place and "reside" means staying for an extended period. Both meanings of live temproray and permanent are valid. And 6 years is a stretch of a time. Most visitors visas in any country have a max of 3 to 6 months. Plus he was working there. Try to talk straight once in awhile instead of changing the meaning of words to fit your lies. [/quote] Technically - he visited. He didn't plan on or want to stay there. He went to Taiwan to escape persecution for a stupid, pointless, contradicting law. The whole reason he went to a nonWhite country was because of Holocaust revision laws - which I am opposed to.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Anonymous Posted at 9:01 pm on Dec. 8, 2008 Why do white people complain so much about being treated badly? I mean minorities deal with a lot worst discrimination and that is why they are so strong, sassy and what not. There are a lot of white people that complain over the simplest little hints of discrimination as if they are the victims. Honestly I just don't get it..... It's like if they experience discrimination they go " See this is why whites are the most discriminated against". Well not meaning to be rude but many minorities have already been there and are still there till this day and it's much worst......... I mean I understand if your the only white person in a group and you feel discriminated against but as a whole I wouldn't say whites are less advantaged, more discriminated against than minorities. I know that whites are not the victims in the U.S.A though. Maybe with petty little racial slurs and crap but not real real real serious life changing hate crimes as much as minorities have been through.

Replies kidd rune Posted at 6:40 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Slavic isn't really a race anyway - it's really just a language/nation thing. Let's use Russia for example. Russia is home to Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans. They are also home to Ladogan and Dinaric people. They are all considered "Slavic" but of different races. jakelong Posted at 6:28 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 interesting... kidd rune Posted at 5:45 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 So are slavs white to you? Not all Slavic people are mixed. So I can't say they are or aren't. jakelong Posted at 4:41 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 So are slavs white to you? kidd rune Posted at 3:58 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 So did many slavs Yes, this is true. jakelong Posted at 10:22 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 4:00 pm on Jan. 7, 2009  They mixed with Mongols and Europeans So did many slavs   jakelong Posted at 10:19 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 Quote: from CCMetalhead at 7:42 am on Jan. 7, 2009 but I rarely see white people complain about getting discriminated against. You haven't been around this forum long enough. Anonymous Posted at 4:02 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 Quote: from CCMetalhead at 7:42 am on Jan. 7, 2009 To the OP:   That's life. Not only that, but I rarely see white people complain about getting discriminated against. I beg to differ. This site is a perfect example of that. "Why is it that blacks can (blank) and we can't" and stuff   meh maybe you just haven't been noticing it. kidd rune Posted at 4:00 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 Orthodox Jews do not consider anyone who did not convert through an Orthodox Shul a Jew. Those who convert under Orthodox or Chassidic regulations are considered Jewish even by the Israeli government (who also accepts only Orthodox/Chassidic conversions). Yes Jews can naturally have blonde hair and blue eyes. I do. I'm Jewish. My mother's side of the family is Jewish and my dad's side is not. But what counts even to the Orthodox is your mother's genetics. If she's Jewish her children are Jewish. If she's not Jewish they either have to convert or do a return (for those who have Jewish ancestry on their mother's side passing down through the women of the family usually within two generations of that person). I get the blue eyes and blonde hair from my mother who's father (not Jewish) has a full Irish mother and a full Finnish father. Maybe I switched those??? Either way it's complicated and Jews can be white or black or middle eastern. Judaism is not a race it's a religion. The race that you're referring to as "Jews" is the Hebrew race (now more commonly known as Israelis). Being "white" depends on where your ancestry is from and the tone of your skin/ lack of pigmentation. Blond hair and blue eyes... I HATE that phrase. It means nothing to me. Blond hair and blue eyes are common traits among Whites, yes, but just because you have those two traits doesn't mean you're White - it means you have White ANCESTRY. The original Jews you speak of were of Semitic stock - not White. They mixed with Mongols and Europeans and sometimes Negroes to create their mongrelized race. Just because you have common White traits - it doesn't mean you're White. And, no, a Jew isn't just a religion. Someone that's an atheist born from a Jewish mother is still Jewish. Chava Posted at 2:15 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 9:29 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 Yes you did you said the white americans of the 19th century did not want them around EXCEPT as slaves. More lies from you as it turns out. You claimed that " You've said the only reason to have them in the US is as slaves" and I don't think this. Unlike you I do remeber what YOU say Obviously not. So why use the fact that Jews do not consider themselves white as an argument? Since theres both the point is moot. Because being White is more than just a race. Jews tend to separate themselves from others. Whites are included in that group. No doubt Whites and Jews mixed. But a Jew is still a Jew. I thought "whiteness" was about more than just color I siad "By US standards" and I never said I agreed with them. And he's not pale skinned either. Phentoype =/= genotype remember? he is genetically of North-African Mediterranean, Hamitic, maybe Semitic, and maybe Negroid ancestry. He isn't White. He is Caucasoid.   Since "white" is arbitrary your point is again moot. So you're taking the route "We make up our own definitions so I can make my own up and it is just as important as yours." what is funny is how determine what is clear about totally arbitrary race sub divisions. They are clearly of a different classification as the people normally considered Alpinoid. And the name itself has already been assigned to their common genealogy. You mean Jews don't have blonde hair, blue eyes and light skin? Not naturally - that's only due to mixing with others or converting (And Orthodox Jews don't consider converts Jews anyway). Orthodox Jews do not consider anyone who did not convert through an Orthodox Shul a Jew. Those who convert under Orthodox or Chassidic regulations are considered Jewish even by the Israeli government (who also accepts only Orthodox/Chassidic conversions). Yes Jews can naturally have blonde hair and blue eyes. I do. I'm Jewish. My mother's side of the family is Jewish and my dad's side is not. But what counts even to the Orthodox is your mother's genetics. If she's Jewish her children are Jewish. If she's not Jewish they either have to convert or do a return (for those who have Jewish ancestry on their mother's side passing down through the women of the family usually within two generations of that person). I get the blue eyes and blonde hair from my mother who's father (not Jewish) has a full Irish mother and a full Finnish father. Maybe I switched those??? Either way it's complicated and Jews can be white or black or middle eastern. Judaism is not a race it's a religion. The race that you're referring to as "Jews" is the Hebrew race (now more commonly known as Israelis). Being "white" depends on where your ancestry is from and the tone of your skin/ lack of pigmentation. CCMetalhead Posted at 7:42 am on Jan. 7, 2009 To the OP: That's life. Not only that, but I rarely see white people complain about getting discriminated against. jakelong Posted at 9:16 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from NotJustAPrettyFace at 7:55 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 I understand. White people are called trailer trash 7 it's the end of the world. The worst are, balcks & mexicans. That's why most of us stick together. I mean i've been called it all. Even though i'm not that dark i've been called "Blacky" but to them it's not that i'm dark it's that i'm not white. <br> yeah its really bad. Im mixed so Ive been called all kinds of things. NotJustAPrettyFace Posted at 7:55 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 I understand. White people are called trailer trash 7 it's the end of the world. The worst are, balcks & mexicans. That's why most of us stick together. I mean i've been called it all. Even though i'm not that dark i've been called "Blacky" but to them it's not that i'm dark it's that i'm not white. <br> jakelong Posted at 6:48 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 6:29 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 But a Jew is still a Jew. You really like meaningless propaganda lines that don't bring any info to the discussion. jakelong Posted at 6:46 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 6:29 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 " You've said the only reason to have them in the US is as slaves" and I don't think this. I don't know what you think or even whether you can think but I sure know aht you SAID. Obviously not. Obviously you can't even tell what you said. Jews tend to separate themselves from others. usually for religious reasons. Whites are included in that group. No doubt Whites and Jews mixed. IF Jews SEPERATE themselves racially from whites THEN why did they MIX with whites? Hmmm...ever wonder about that? Try to explain it. Most recent 15 of 140 previous replies displayed.