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kidd rune
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Posted at 6:40 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 |
| Slavic isn't really a race anyway - it's really just a language/nation thing. Let's use Russia for example. Russia is home to Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans. They are also home to Ladogan and Dinaric people. They are all considered "Slavic" but of different races. |
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jakelong
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Posted at 6:28 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 |
| interesting... |
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kidd rune
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Posted at 5:45 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 |
So are slavs white to you? 
Not all Slavic people are mixed. So I can't say they are or aren't. |
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jakelong
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Posted at 4:41 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 |
| So are slavs white to you? |
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kidd rune
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Posted at 3:58 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 |
So did many slavs
Yes, this is true. |
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jakelong
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Posted at 10:22 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 |
Quote: from kidd rune at 4:00 pm on Jan. 7, 2009
They mixed with Mongols and Europeans 
So did many slavs |
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jakelong
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Posted at 10:19 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 |
Quote: from CCMetalhead at 7:42 am on Jan. 7, 2009
but I rarely see white people complain about getting discriminated against. 
You haven't been around this forum long enough. |
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Anonymous
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Posted at 4:02 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 |
Quote: from CCMetalhead at 7:42 am on Jan. 7, 2009
To the OP: That's life. Not only that, but I rarely see white people complain about getting discriminated against. 
I beg to differ. This site is a perfect example of that. "Why is it that blacks can (blank) and we can't" and stuff meh maybe you just haven't been noticing it. |
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kidd rune
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Posted at 4:00 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 |
Orthodox Jews do not consider anyone who did not convert through an Orthodox Shul a Jew. Those who convert under Orthodox or Chassidic regulations are considered Jewish even by the Israeli government (who also accepts only Orthodox/Chassidic conversions). Yes Jews can naturally have blonde hair and blue eyes. I do. I'm Jewish. My mother's side of the family is Jewish and my dad's side is not. But what counts even to the Orthodox is your mother's genetics. If she's Jewish her children are Jewish. If she's not Jewish they either have to convert or do a return (for those who have Jewish ancestry on their mother's side passing down through the women of the family usually within two generations of that person). I get the blue eyes and blonde hair from my mother who's father (not Jewish) has a full Irish mother and a full Finnish father. Maybe I switched those??? Either way it's complicated and Jews can be white or black or middle eastern. Judaism is not a race it's a religion. The race that you're referring to as "Jews" is the Hebrew race (now more commonly known as Israelis). Being "white" depends on where your ancestry is from and the tone of your skin/ lack of pigmentation. 
Blond hair and blue eyes... I HATE that phrase. It means nothing to me. Blond hair and blue eyes are common traits among Whites, yes, but just because you have those two traits doesn't mean you're White - it means you have White ANCESTRY. The original Jews you speak of were of Semitic stock - not White. They mixed with Mongols and Europeans and sometimes Negroes to create their mongrelized race. Just because you have common White traits - it doesn't mean you're White. And, no, a Jew isn't just a religion. Someone that's an atheist born from a Jewish mother is still Jewish. |
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Chava
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Posted at 2:15 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 |
Quote: from kidd rune at 9:29 pm on Jan. 6, 2009
Yes you did you said the white americans of the 19th century did not want them around EXCEPT as slaves. More lies from you as it turns out. 
You claimed that " You've said the only reason to have them in the US is as slaves" and I don't think this.
Unlike you I do remeber what YOU say
Obviously not.
So why use the fact that Jews do not consider themselves white as an argument? Since theres both the point is moot. 
Because being White is more than just a race. Jews tend to separate themselves from others. Whites are included in that group. No doubt Whites and Jews mixed. But a Jew is still a Jew.
I thought "whiteness" was about more than just color
I siad "By US standards" and I never said I agreed with them. And he's not pale skinned either.
Phentoype =/= genotype remember?
he is genetically of North-African Mediterranean, Hamitic, maybe Semitic, and maybe Negroid ancestry. He isn't White. He is Caucasoid.
Since "white" is arbitrary your point is again moot. 
So you're taking the route "We make up our own definitions so I can make my own up and it is just as important as yours."
what is funny is how determine what is clear about totally arbitrary race sub divisions. 
They are clearly of a different classification as the people normally considered Alpinoid. And the name itself has already been assigned to their common genealogy.
You mean Jews don't have blonde hair, blue eyes and light skin? 
Not naturally - that's only due to mixing with others or converting (And Orthodox Jews don't consider converts Jews anyway).
Orthodox Jews do not consider anyone who did not convert through an Orthodox Shul a Jew. Those who convert under Orthodox or Chassidic regulations are considered Jewish even by the Israeli government (who also accepts only Orthodox/Chassidic conversions). Yes Jews can naturally have blonde hair and blue eyes. I do. I'm Jewish. My mother's side of the family is Jewish and my dad's side is not. But what counts even to the Orthodox is your mother's genetics. If she's Jewish her children are Jewish. If she's not Jewish they either have to convert or do a return (for those who have Jewish ancestry on their mother's side passing down through the women of the family usually within two generations of that person). I get the blue eyes and blonde hair from my mother who's father (not Jewish) has a full Irish mother and a full Finnish father. Maybe I switched those??? Either way it's complicated and Jews can be white or black or middle eastern. Judaism is not a race it's a religion. The race that you're referring to as "Jews" is the Hebrew race (now more commonly known as Israelis). Being "white" depends on where your ancestry is from and the tone of your skin/ lack of pigmentation. |
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CCMetalhead
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Posted at 7:42 am on Jan. 7, 2009 |
| To the OP: That's life. Not only that, but I rarely see white people complain about getting discriminated against. |
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jakelong
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Posted at 9:16 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 |
Quote: from NotJustAPrettyFace at 7:55 pm on Jan. 6, 2009
I understand. White people are called trailer trash 7 it's the end of the world. The worst are, balcks & mexicans. That's why most of us stick together. I mean i've been called it all. Even though i'm not that dark i've been called "Blacky" but to them it's not that i'm dark it's that i'm not white. <br> 
yeah its really bad. Im mixed so Ive been called all kinds of things. |
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NotJustAPrettyFace
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Posted at 7:55 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 |
| I understand. White people are called trailer trash 7 it's the end of the world. The worst are, balcks & mexicans. That's why most of us stick together. I mean i've been called it all. Even though i'm not that dark i've been called "Blacky" but to them it's not that i'm dark it's that i'm not white. <br> |
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jakelong
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Posted at 6:48 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 |
Quote: from kidd rune at 6:29 pm on Jan. 6, 2009
But a Jew is still a Jew.
You really like meaningless propaganda lines that don't bring any info to the discussion. |
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jakelong
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Posted at 6:46 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 |
Quote: from kidd rune at 6:29 pm on Jan. 6, 2009
" You've said the only reason to have them in the US is as slaves" and I don't think this. 
I don't know what you think or even whether you can think but I sure know aht you SAID.
Obviously not. 
Obviously you can't even tell what you said.
Jews tend to separate themselves from others. 
usually for religious reasons.
Whites are included in that group. No doubt Whites and Jews mixed. 
IF Jews SEPERATE themselves racially from whites THEN why did they MIX with whites? Hmmm...ever wonder about that? Try to explain it. |
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