Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Do you think Race is a Social concept, or a biological concept? Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]kidd rune[/m] at 6:55 am on Oct. 12, 2008[quote][quote] Got trouble reading you own shit? [/quote]I said that race is a biological concept. But, people add their own little bullshit to it - such as calling Obama a Negro. [quote] "In no way" means there is "nothing social in it". Guess you taking it back and admit you was wrong then? [/quote]You're not getting what I said. Race isn't a social construct, it's 100% real in your genes and mine. But, many social ideas influence race. [quote] Trouble keeping up with the latet science? [/quote]2002 is the latest science? Nah... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/31/AR2005083102278.html Googled: [quote]Scientists Complete Genetic Map of the Chimpanzee Differences From Human DNA Pinpointed By Rick Weiss Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, September 1, [b]2005[/b]; Page A03[/quote][quote]As predicted by preliminary studies, the human and chimpanzee genetic codes are essentially 99 percent identical, a testament to how fundamentally similar the two species remain. At the same time, it is powerful evidence that seemingly modest changes in molecular code can lead to very different stations in the web of life.[/quote] [quote] the classification won't. But your argument failed. [/quote]Not really. [quote] We don't know how IQ would be rated on them. It don't change the fact that it shows how using IQ to make claims about race is BS. IQ is realted to culture and social constrcuts too you know. [/quote]I know that you can't put an IQ on someone without testing them, [b]and[/b] I know culture/social has an IQ influence, I'm just saying that genetics ALSO has an influence. [quote]"AS GOOD" says you put VALUE to some race or race traits. THATS racist.[/quote]I put value on numbers, saying that the scores aren't as good (because higher numbers in IQ is a [i]better[/i] score). Paranoid? [quote] You think its "irrelevant" because it clashes with your litle worldview. [/quote]No it doesn't. Most of what they say I already know, as well as many other people that believe race is biological, it just doesn't interfere. 99.9% or whatever doesn't disprove anything. Genetic differences INSIDE of race doesn't either. Neither does 95% of the shit that social-constructors say. [quote]And again THATs NOT the point. The point is ALL that stuff CANNOT be used to make conclusion about races. All it says is that theres some differnces. Fuck theres genetic differences between ppl of different ethnic orgins. So what? Those differences does NOT say anything about VALUE or GOODNESS or QUALITY of one race vs another. If you try to do THAT you taking the racist approach. [/quote]I'm not putting a value/quality/goodness on a race, I'm simply dispelling falsehoods. You see, if people learned that races are different, they would be more likely to accept racial existence instead of "EVERYBODY NEEDS TO MIX!" Trust me, people exist that want [i]everyone[/i] to mix, it's a disgusting, inhumane, horrific idea, but people still have it.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Headst0ck Posted at 4:12 pm on Sep. 25, 2008 When you think in terms of race...do you truly believe there is a black gene, a white gene, and an asian gene that all makes us different as far as our physical, mental, and personality capabilities go? Do you truly believe race is a fact of biology? Could race just be a concept created by people to hinder any sort of unification of all humans?

Replies kidd rune Posted at 4:10 pm on Oct. 20, 2008 How can you tell what is a "white look" if  there is "no asian look"? Because White has a genetic basis - Asian is just anyone from Asia. People who settled in Far East Asia/ Europe became more developed in the history than the ones in Africa. What about the Amerinds? hersheyparker Posted at 1:18 pm on Oct. 20, 2008 Two words: Social barriers. MaryLin Posted at 1:02 pm on Oct. 20, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:33 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 I think some were just luckier to settle down on better soil and environment etc. What, in your opinion, is better soil/environment? People who settled in Far East Asia/ Europe became more developed in the history than the ones in Africa. jakelong Posted at 10:24 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 7:02 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from jakelong at 6:44 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 11:40 am on Oct. 18, 2008 There is no European or Asian look - that's unanswerable. There is no white or asian look then... There is a White look, but no Asian look (as I JUST SAID). How can you tell what is a "white look" if  there is "no asian look"?   kidd rune Posted at 7:02 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from jakelong at 6:44 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 11:40 am on Oct. 18, 2008 There is no European or Asian look - that's unanswerable. There is no white or asian look then... There is a White look, but no Asian look (as I JUST SAID). But, being White doesn't mean you can ONLY have a certain look, but there are traits only found in people of White ancestry. jakelong Posted at 6:44 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 11:40 am on Oct. 18, 2008 There is no European or Asian look - that's unanswerable. There is no white or asian look then... kidd rune Posted at 7:33 am on Oct. 19, 2008 I think some were just luckier to settle down on better soil and environment etc. What, in your opinion, is better soil/environment? BleedingSteelWings Posted at 6:28 am on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from MaryLin at 9:26 am on Oct. 19, 2008 It's originally supposed to be something biological but since there were formed "more advanced" races, the others got left behind. I think some were just luckier to settle down on better soil and environment etc. So I believe race is a social concept considering how the things are going on the 21st century. Of course there is no absolute truth since USA is powerful and there are all kinds of races there, including blacks and people from poor Asian countries, so in that case it is just biological. But considering the whole world, it is a social thing. Yeah, the environment definitely has a factor. it's actually kind of speciation if you look at it. Don't get me wrong, i think we're all human, we all have the same genetic baseline, but there are chromosomes that contain the race information. To be honest though, it's only subtle differences aside from color, which is only a prominence or absence of pigment in the cells. A slight different shape of skull you'll notice, as well as some other features. MaryLin Posted at 4:56 am on Oct. 19, 2008 It's originally supposed to be something biological but since there were formed "more advanced" races, the others got left behind. I think some were just luckier to settle down on better soil and environment etc. So I believe race is a social concept considering how the things are going on the 21st century. Of course there is no absolute truth since USA is powerful and there are all kinds of races there, including blacks and people from poor Asian countries, so in that case it is just biological. But considering the whole world, it is a social thing. El Burrito Posted at 4:44 am on Oct. 19, 2008 obviously there is something different in Caucasian / African / Asian etc, because we do look different. So there is the genetics. But the ideas we have with race are all out of colonialism. Basically, (for example), the British wanted cheap (free) labour, went into West Africa, took Africans as slaves, and needed some way to justify it. So they said, were white, you're black. Were 'civilised', you're not. That means we're more advanced than you. That means you are inferior to us, and the lowest common denominator there was being African in appearance. Thats a VERY rough, undetailed version of where our social idea of race came from. kidd rune Posted at 11:40 am on Oct. 18, 2008 Quote: from jakelong at 9:14 pm on Oct. 17, 2008 And the ORIGINAL point was about Europeans NOT whites.   Are the people I posted Eruopean looking or Asian looking? There is no European or Asian look - that's unanswerable. jakelong Posted at 9:14 pm on Oct. 17, 2008 And the ORIGINAL point was about Europeans NOT whites. Are the people I posted Eruopean looking or Asian looking? kidd rune Posted at 5:03 pm on Oct. 16, 2008 I said WHITES, not Europeans. I ask you to find me a White with an Epicanthic fold. jakelong Posted at 10:50 pm on Oct. 15, 2008 Because ALL asians have slanted eyes? Look at those people. Which ones are european looking and which are not? Does she have slanted eyes? european or asian? european or asian? eruopean or asian? european or asian? european or asian? You note that ALL the asians above have an Epicanthic fold... And we were not speaking of "whites" we were speakin of Europeans. I hve not made the DNA test on those ppl so I can't tell you if they are "aryans" or not but some of them ARE indo-iranians... kidd rune Posted at 5:11 pm on Oct. 15, 2008 Quote: from jakelong at 4:48 pm on Oct. 15, 2008 Still not getting the point.   If you look at the EXTREMES of what people think of as European and Asian yes you can. If you trying to find the divisions by looking at the wide variety of what europeans and asian CAN look like no. I see Whites with Epicanthic folds all the time... The thing is, there is 40,000 years of evolution dividing Caucasians from Mongoloids (or so your sites claim). Most recent 15 of 113 previous replies displayed.