Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's.
Quote: from Event Horizon at 7:26 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:00 pm on July 2, 2009 What does "lay-man" have to do with anything? And "considered" intelligent? Not quite the same thing as "being" intelligent. Your concept of intelligence is way too broad. Well, since you seem to be invoking only the magnificent specimens of intelligent people to define intelligence, I figured that I must contrast that with the appropriate label: layman. What, exactly, does "being" intelligent entail? Must one discover nuclear physics? Or can a person simply employ a certain amount of knowledge of a certain subject? Indeed, I'd say there are many types of intelligences. I'm not sure what you're reading into what I'm saying, but I've not said anything about any "magnificent" specimens. "Being" intelligent would include the ability to observe and learn and to use what has been learned in a constructive manner. Education does not make a person intelligent. Almost anyone can be educated. It's how one uses an education that would indicate intelligence or the lack of it. I'm not sure what you mean by "many types of intelligences".
Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:00 pm on July 2, 2009 What does "lay-man" have to do with anything? And "considered" intelligent? Not quite the same thing as "being" intelligent. Your concept of intelligence is way too broad. Well, since you seem to be invoking only the magnificent specimens of intelligent people to define intelligence, I figured that I must contrast that with the appropriate label: layman. What, exactly, does "being" intelligent entail? Must one discover nuclear physics? Or can a person simply employ a certain amount of knowledge of a certain subject? Indeed, I'd say there are many types of intelligences.
What does "lay-man" have to do with anything? And "considered" intelligent? Not quite the same thing as "being" intelligent. Your concept of intelligence is way too broad.
Well, since you seem to be invoking only the magnificent specimens of intelligent people to define intelligence, I figured that I must contrast that with the appropriate label: layman.
What, exactly, does "being" intelligent entail? Must one discover nuclear physics? Or can a person simply employ a certain amount of knowledge of a certain subject?
Indeed, I'd say there are many types of intelligences.
"Being" intelligent would include the ability to observe and learn and to use what has been learned in a constructive manner. Education does not make a person intelligent. Almost anyone can be educated. It's how one uses an education that would indicate intelligence or the lack of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by "many types of intelligences".
I agree with you on the issue on your indicator of intelligence; in that one's intelligence is not based on education, anyone can be educated, but rather what one does with their education, and how one uses it to their advantage, is an adequate measure of intelligence.
I'll expound on this subject by I believe current evidence suggests and has always suggested that an innate intellectual superiority is ingrained more in humans than in dogs and cats and other lesser animals. But, when you said that dogs do not become "smarter" after training, I disagree.
If even the least bit negligible, if dogs with training as opposed to dogs without training did better on a cognitive quiz (problem solving; ball in hoop, etc), than that dog would thereby be more intelligent. I think what one must take into account when trying animals for intelligence is that the benchmark, presumably, for animal intelligence is much less pronounced and much less noticeable due to the nature and intellectual potential of the beast itself. We do not have adequate gauges for which to measure dog intelligence, but if we were to build a course on what some dogs can intellectually do and what some dogs cannot (based on a human model; on what some humans can do and some humans cannot), then I think we would find difference and that we could come to a conclusion.
Dogs cannot be geniuses no matter how you look at it, but if they show consistent increased cognitive ability in comparison to their lesser trained peers (the training may not even be intellectual but it would involve memory, etc), then it can be said that one dog is smarter than another, and that perhaps education does make a difference; which it certainly does at least when it comes to related academic performance.
Quote: from ElephantStone at 2:49 pm on July 2, 2009 So drawing from that, this man is more intelligent than Einstein due to his education. I applaud your intelligence. I would say a car mechanic is more intelligent in the way of fixing cars than Einstein would have been. In that respect, even a car mechanic can be more intelligent than Einstein.
So drawing from that, this man is more intelligent than Einstein due to his education. I applaud your intelligence.
I applaud your intelligence.
I would say a car mechanic is more intelligent in the way of fixing cars than Einstein would have been. In that respect, even a car mechanic can be more intelligent than Einstein.
But if Einstein had gone into that trade would he have been more intelligent than that man, though?
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Wouldn't knowledgeable be a better word to use rather than intelligent,because intelligent implies ability rather than the opportunity to be in possession of the knowledge of the field.
Quote: from Event Horizon at 5:27 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:18 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Event Horizon at 4:26 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:33 pm on July 2, 2009 Education = intelligence? I'd say a lot of things equal intelligenceEducation certainly doesn't. You can "educate" (as in teach) a dog or a monkey. It doesn't increase their "intelligence". An uneducated "genius" is no less a genius. So, what are some of these "things" you think equal intelligence? And a very well educated lay-man may still be considered intelligent. Your concept of intelligence is to narrow.What does "lay-man" have to do with anything? And "considered" intelligent? Not quite the same thing as "being" intelligent. Your concept of intelligence is way too broad.
Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:18 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Event Horizon at 4:26 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:33 pm on July 2, 2009 Education = intelligence? I'd say a lot of things equal intelligenceEducation certainly doesn't. You can "educate" (as in teach) a dog or a monkey. It doesn't increase their "intelligence". An uneducated "genius" is no less a genius. So, what are some of these "things" you think equal intelligence? And a very well educated lay-man may still be considered intelligent. Your concept of intelligence is to narrow.
Quote: from Event Horizon at 4:26 pm on July 2, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:33 pm on July 2, 2009 Education = intelligence? I'd say a lot of things equal intelligenceEducation certainly doesn't. You can "educate" (as in teach) a dog or a monkey. It doesn't increase their "intelligence". An uneducated "genius" is no less a genius. So, what are some of these "things" you think equal intelligence?
Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:33 pm on July 2, 2009 Education = intelligence? I'd say a lot of things equal intelligence
Education = intelligence?
I'd say a lot of things equal intelligence
So, what are some of these "things" you think equal intelligence?
And a very well educated lay-man may still be considered intelligent. Your concept of intelligence is to narrow.
Quote: from Moridin at 8:34 pm on July 1, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 10:22 pm on July 1, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 8:19 pm on July 1, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009 Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's. Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's. But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent. So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I? I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect. He would be more intelligent in his field of expertise after he has completed his education, yes.Education = intelligence?
Quote: from ElephantStone at 10:22 pm on July 1, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 8:19 pm on July 1, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009 Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's. Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's. But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent. So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I? I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect. He would be more intelligent in his field of expertise after he has completed his education, yes.
Quote: from Moridin at 8:19 pm on July 1, 2009 Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009 Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's. Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's. But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent. So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I? I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect.
Quote: from ElephantStone at 12:02 am on June 27, 2009 Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's. Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's. But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent.
Apparently the average IQ of each generation goes up by 5 to 9 points. Therefore I deduce that the human race is not getting more intelligent, which people say IQ is an indicator of in people, but are becoming more intellectual as their academic skills have been more highly hones than their predecessor's. Otherwise you'd have to argue that our brains are profoundly more intelligent than the cave men's.
But intelligence is a combination of genes and environment, so it is perfectly alright to say that humans are getting more intelligent.
So someone who goes to Harvard university because they have the money is more intelligent than you or I?
I think intellectual would be the word to describe the effect of environment on that aspect.
He would be more intelligent in his field of expertise after he has completed his education, yes.
So drawing from that, this man is more intelligent than Einstein due to his education.
Quote: from ElephantStone at 2:08 pm on June 26, 2009 Quote: from 80Kidz at 10:04 pm on June 26, 2009 then why are schools test scores going down the pipes. They're still going up in Ireland and a lot of other countries in the world. You know there is an area outside of America called 2The Rest of the World". I doubt you'd have heard about it though...lets not start this again for the love of god thats as much a retread on this forum as the sexism jokes and the crime is for niggers thing so please, stay on subject and no need for snide comments
Quote: from 80Kidz at 10:04 pm on June 26, 2009 then why are schools test scores going down the pipes. They're still going up in Ireland and a lot of other countries in the world. You know there is an area outside of America called 2The Rest of the World". I doubt you'd have heard about it though...
then why are schools test scores going down the pipes.
They're still going up in Ireland and a lot of other countries in the world.
You know there is an area outside of America called 2The Rest of the World". I doubt you'd have heard about it though...
for the love of god thats as much a retread on this forum as the sexism jokes and the crime is for niggers thing
so please, stay on subject and no need for snide comments
You're just saying this because you're black.
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