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Savior
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Posted at 11:07 pm on July 4, 2009 |
| Realistically, barring Obama being filmed eating babies or something there was no possible way for McCain to have won the election. Palin was probably the best in a long line of absolutely horrible choices for the reasons Elm laid out. |
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Elm
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Posted at 6:00 pm on July 4, 2009 |
Quote: from The Samsoniteman at 5:56 pm on July 4, 2009
The phrase "political liability" was often used after her first few high profile interviews after her nomination. Her polls slumped and she lost out to Biden. Palin's role was obvious, you always need a balanced ticket. But to do it at the expense of more important moderates is inexcusable. The three reasons I talked about previously are very reasonable explanations of how she helped the Reps to burn up. Obviously there are more important reasons but she's in there. 
Yes of course it was used, the media reported Obama favorably over 5 to one against McCain. Its well known that the media did not even attempt to hide the bias of reporters and editors which 80% of self identify as liberal. She may of well have been a political liability in the eyes of people who were not going to vote for McCain anyway. She did however sweep a large number of the base back into McCain's camp. In a campaign you really don't make decisions about what people who already are not going to vote for you will think. The moderates were polling over 70% to Obama and aside from one slump after Palin was announced the rate was on a steady rise. The moderates were lost but with a 50% expected turnout of the base there was no way to even compete without securing the base. The move was entirely political and entirely politically correct. |
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The Samsoniteman
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Posted at 5:56 pm on July 4, 2009 |
| The phrase "political liability" was often used after her first few high profile interviews after her nomination. Her polls slumped and she lost out to Biden. Palin's role was obvious, you always need a balanced ticket. But to do it at the expense of more important moderates is inexcusable. The three reasons I talked about previously are very reasonable explanations of how she helped the Reps to burn up. Obviously there are more important reasons but she's in there. |
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Elm
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Posted at 5:46 pm on July 4, 2009 |
Quote: from The Samsoniteman at 5:41 pm on July 4, 2009
I was assuming most Americans wanted Obama, therefore not preferring a Republican. Palin did indeed help defeat McCain, were we watching the same election? Her crazy disturbed enough moderates for them to swing to Obama. McCain was rightly worried that he would divided the Reps, it's just he picked the wrong candidate who pushed away voters in three ways: with her crazy, with the scandel and with her attempted overshadowing of him near the end when it became clearer he was losing. If she wants to run in 2012 she seriously needs to repair her reputation. 
As someone who was very involved in the campaign of 2007-2008 I can tell you moderates were already locked to Obama. McCain chose Palin to secure the base which was not happy with the most liberal of the Republicans being their candidate. Palin did not lose the election for McCain. |
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The Samsoniteman
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Posted at 5:41 pm on July 4, 2009 |
| I was assuming most Americans wanted Obama, therefore not preferring a Republican. Palin did indeed help defeat McCain, were we watching the same election? Her crazy disturbed enough moderates for them to swing to Obama. McCain was rightly worried that he would divided the Reps, it's just he picked the wrong candidate who pushed away voters in three ways: with her crazy, with the scandel and with her attempted overshadowing of him near the end when it became clearer he was losing. If she wants to run in 2012 she seriously needs to repair her reputation. |
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Forever Angel
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Posted at 5:34 pm on July 4, 2009 |
Quote: from The Samsoniteman at 7:21 pm on July 4, 2009
Most Americans should thank Palin for working so hard to defeat McCain. 
First, it wasn't Palin who defeated McCain... but why should be be thankful? It's only gotten worse since Obama took over. |
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The Samsoniteman
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Posted at 5:21 pm on July 4, 2009 |
| Most Americans should thank Palin for working so hard to defeat McCain. She is a threat to America, which I guess is why people mock her so much. She is as much a threat as any other extremist politican. We can only hope she goes on into 2012 making sure the Reps remain divided and weak. |
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Aria of Silence
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Posted at 11:09 am on July 4, 2009 |
Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:00 pm on July 3, 2009
Quote: from Cunning Stunt at 6:50 pm on July 3, 2009
Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:35 pm on July 3, 2009
Her biggest plus is the amount of screaming the libs do against her. Their fear of her is absolutely amazing. 
Not the fear of her, the fear of her stupidity. 
If that were the case, they wouldn't be making such a fuss. They wouldn't be trying to destroy her. They only do those things to those they believe may be serious contenders. If they really thought she was that stupid, they'd step back and let her do it to herself. 
as if Palin was a seriously contender! It's obvious that she was just McCain's way of getting the female vote. Trust, if Hilary had been running they would have picked a black guy. Palin is such a fail. |
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Stormblazer
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Posted at 10:46 am on July 4, 2009 |
Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:00 pm on July 3, 2009
If that were the case, they wouldn't be making such a fuss. They wouldn't be trying to destroy her. They only do those things to those they believe may be serious contenders. If they really thought she was that stupid, they'd step back and let her do it to herself. 
News flash for you then. Most liberals and independents I know of consider her a joke, and a rather amusing one at that. If she ran in 2012 I'd be shocked if she made it past the primaries, even with the GOP's slide towards the far right. |
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Moridin
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Posted at 3:44 am on July 4, 2009 |
| But seriously, it is very dangerous when you have political leaders who show such ignorance and disrespect for science, whether it is evolution, global climate change, fruit fly research or whatnot, because it has the power to plunge the worlds biggest scientific superpower into an anti-scientific mindset. |
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jamesish
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Posted at 2:03 am on July 4, 2009 |
Quote: from Moridin at 8:55 pm on July 3, 2009

That was well executed, I have to admit. |
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jakelong
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Posted at 11:40 pm on July 3, 2009 |
Don't count your chicken... |
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Forever Angel
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Posted at 6:09 pm on July 3, 2009 |
Quote: from Cunning Stunt at 7:32 pm on July 3, 2009
Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:25 pm on July 3, 2009
So? 
So nothing Palin was doing was destroying herself in the eyes of conservatives because they're fucking retarded. But you know what? She lost and she'll never hold another major office, so I'm happy. You can go ahead and cry. 
What did she lose? Why are the libs still on her case if they think she's no threat? |
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Moridin
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Posted at 5:55 pm on July 3, 2009 |
Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:00 am on July 4, 2009
Quote: from Cunning Stunt at 6:50 pm on July 3, 2009
Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:35 pm on July 3, 2009
Her biggest plus is the amount of screaming the libs do against her. Their fear of her is absolutely amazing. 
Not the fear of her, the fear of her stupidity. 
If that were the case, they wouldn't be making such a fuss. They wouldn't be trying to destroy her. They only do those things to those they believe may be serious contenders. If they really thought she was that stupid, they'd step back and let her do it to herself. 
Observe the brilliant intelligence of Sarah Palin rejecting genetic research on fruit flies. Note that fruit fly research is almost the sole reason for much of the massive amount of knowledge we have gained about genetics during the last one hundred years. This is because fruit flies have very fast generation and have genomes that can be manipulated easily. This was the precise moment I lost all respect for Palin. Someone who has this little respect for science should not hold office anywhere. |
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Moridin
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Posted at 5:50 pm on July 3, 2009 |
Quote: from Forever Angel at 2:35 am on July 4, 2009
Her biggest plus is the amount of screaming the libs do against her. Their fear of her is absolutely amazing. 
Yeah, but it is a justified fear. She has a very anti-scientific mindset. |
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