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jakelong Posted at 1:30 am on Aug. 23, 2008
Non-conformist vs Integration

One thing that we are always told in America is that it is great to be an individualist, to do "your own thing", to be a non-conformist and go against the grain and try new things and new ideas. What we are told in schools and in the books we read and the people we are told to admire is that it is cool to be "different", to be "special", to be "independent".

But if you really look at what really happens in American society is that in practice its not always easy to "stick out" and "do your thing". In the practice when you look for a job, when you go to school, even when you write an essay or even hang out with your friends, what really happens is that you really have to obey the rules, not just one time but all the time. The "rules" are a bit undefined sometimes but they are still rules and you know it when you break them.  

For example: you have to wear what "regular" americans wear or else you're not respected. You have to speak "standard english" or people look down on you. You have to remove your accent or anything that makes you "different" or else people look at you funny and sticks into a bin and put a label on you.

Its true for anyone who "sticks out" by the way. Like if you're white but you wear long hair and wear hippy clothes and a beard then ppl will label you. If you're latino and have an accent or if you're black or asian then you automatically "stick out". But if on top of that you try to show too much your individuality (like you wear a big afro hair or a bandanna or some huge ring on your neck) then people say you are too much different and you don't "integrate" into american society.  

Basically it's only once you are rich and famous that you can really display your difference the obvious way. But otherwise if you try to be too different then people reject you.

This also goes within groups by the way. Like if you are black but you try to stick out from what some other blacks expect blacks to do or act then you also stick out. Or if you're latino and you dont speak spanish. Or if you're asian and you go into "asian stuff" etc...  

I would like your thought on that. Because to me theres a bit of a confusion and some double talk going on there.  

If American society really valued "non-conformists" and "individuality" then they wouldn't expect everyone to be cookie cutter copy and do like everyone else and "integrate" into the same mold. They would really look at people as individuals and not worry about differences and even celebrate it. And they would look instead at what the person does and produce and gives to the society.

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jakelong Posted at 10:09 pm on Aug. 25, 2008
Quote: from GeneCosta at 10:53 pm on Aug. 23, 2008

This reminds me of a good song:

wow thats the story of my life  
nigeltheoutlaw Posted at 11:56 pm on Aug. 23, 2008
I also think it a gross double standard. I think it takes a strong will to truly stand out. I know, from experience, that it is defficult, but if you show the right amount without seeming like a loner, it is very beneficial.
GeneCosta Posted at 10:53 pm on Aug. 23, 2008
This reminds me of a good song:

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so ------- crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still ------- peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow me

jakelong Posted at 1:48 pm on Aug. 23, 2008
Quote: from BrokenBelief at 1:35 am on Aug. 23, 2008

It's the pursuit of knowledge, forming your own opinions, following your own dreams, and expressing what you truly think and feel that make you an individual.  
sure but some ppl say that if your own ideas have to do with celebrate your culture of origin or what makes you different then you dont "integrate".
Johvanni Posted at 1:51 am on Aug. 23, 2008
Brother from anotha mother....You put it very well...
Bearsy Posted at 1:37 am on Aug. 23, 2008
Quote: from BrokenBelief at 1:35 am on Aug. 23, 2008

Someone completely misunderstood the term, "individual." Nothing about the clothes you wear or your hairstyle can ever, possibly make you an individual. It's the pursuit of knowledge, forming your own opinions, following your own dreams, and expressing what you truly think and feel that make you an individual. And besides, no one ever said it was easy.
Everyone is an individual, technically...
Bearsy Posted at 1:36 am on Aug. 23, 2008
Yeah they're like, "Be different, be special... and if you don't go to college after high school and then graduate college you'll never make any money so don't even try it"
BrokenBelief Posted at 1:35 am on Aug. 23, 2008
Someone completely misunderstood the term, "individual."  Nothing about the clothes you wear or your hairstyle can ever, possibly make you an individual.  It's the pursuit of knowledge, forming your own opinions, following your own dreams, and expressing what you truly think and feel that make you an individual.  And besides, no one ever said it was easy.
MrJollyRancher Posted at 1:33 am on Aug. 23, 2008
Non conformists are losers
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