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Prince o palities Posted at 1:08 pm on July 9, 2009
Note that this topic is not in Teen Dating on purpose.

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Event Horizon Posted at 8:04 pm on July 10, 2009

The fountains mingle with the river
And the rivers with the ocean,
The winds of Heaven mix for ever
With a sweet emotion;
Nothing in the world is single,
All things by a law divine
In one spirit meet and mingle -
Why not I with thine?

See the mountains kiss high Heaven
And the waves clasp one another;
No sister-flower would be forgiven
If it disdained its brother;
And the sunlight clasps the earth,
And the moonbeams kiss the sea -
What are all these kissings worth
If thou kiss not me?

~~Percy Bysshe Shelley



As often-times the too resplendent sun
Hurries the pallid and reluctant moon
Back to her sombre cave, ere she hath won
A single ballad from the nightingale,
So doth thy Beauty make my lips to fail,
And all my sweetest singing out of tune.

And as at dawn across the level mead
On wings impetuous some wind will come,
And with its too harsh kisses break the reed
Which was its only instrument of song,
So my too stormy passions work me wrong,
And for excess of Love my Love is dumb.

But surely unto Thee mine eyes did show
Why I am silent, and my lute unstrung;
Else it were better we should part, and go,
Thou to some lips of sweeter melody,
And I to nurse the barren memory
Of unkissed kisses, and songs never sung.

~~Oscar Wilde


F**K formal definitions.

Edit: Also. Yea. You'd really have to decide what kind of "love" you are talking about.

barnabas Posted at 6:05 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:07 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from The Academy at 3:02 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 3:00 pm on July 10, 2009

 
  There might even be three forms of love, or even four. Maybe they are all Greek, though.

 
 That is actually a decent point of view. Who knows, the world is vast and full of multiple points and ideas. Each person finds something different out of love.

I was actually referring to storge, philia, eros, and agape. Basically family-love, friendship-love, romantic-love, and divine-love. C. S. Lewis wrote a little book about them that has around 100% fewer talking lion Jesuses than most people would expect from him.


I really like what CS lewis has to say about love.

I probably went way to far in my other posts in this topic, because i dont think that there is one kind of love, but many, and some you choose and some you dont.

sigh.

eklipse Posted at 5:29 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 3:11 pm on July 10, 2009

Probably, it isn't written in a very complicated way. At the very least, it will drive home the concept that the English word "love" isn't really sufficient for all the different ways we try to use it, which renders it vague.

Ah. Sounds very interesting and I'll be sure to at least pick it up and explore the values inside. Thank you. (:
barnabas Posted at 2:58 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from SpM at 4:56 pm on July 10, 2009

Well that's the creepiest thing I've heard all month.

why?

SpM Posted at 2:56 pm on July 10, 2009
Well that's the creepiest thing I've heard all month.
barnabas Posted at 2:55 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from SpM at 4:53 pm on July 10, 2009

So you believe you could equally have decided not to continue loving them, and that would have been that?

sure. or certainly not loved them the way that i love them now.

SpM Posted at 2:53 pm on July 10, 2009
So you believe you could equally have decided not to continue loving them, and that would have been that?
barnabas Posted at 2:50 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from SpM at 4:12 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from barnabas at 10:08 pm on July 10, 2009

because we choose to love.

Firstly, that would not make love itself a decision. It would make it the result of a decision.

Secondly, at precisely what age did you decide you were going to love your parents?


I think at the moment that i had to decide that i was going to continue to love them in spite of being aware of their flaws, something that I was not aware of them having when i was younger.

did i love my parents as a child? yes, but infinitely different than how i lvoe them now, as an adult.

SpM Posted at 2:12 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from barnabas at 10:08 pm on July 10, 2009

because we choose to love.

Firstly, that would not make love itself a decision. It would make it the result of a decision.

Secondly, at precisely what age did you decide you were going to love your parents?

barnabas Posted at 2:08 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from SpM at 3:48 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from barnabas at 3:06 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from gronk at 12:20 am on July 10, 2009

love is a decision
 

 i like that.



In what sense is love a decision?

because we choose to love.

SpM Posted at 1:48 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from barnabas at 3:06 pm on July 10, 2009

Quote: from gronk at 12:20 am on July 10, 2009

love is a decision

i like that.



In what sense is love a decision?
Moridin Posted at 1:30 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from Katx at 10:39 pm on July 10, 2009

You have yet to notice where this topic is located though, have you?
Religion and PHILOSOPHY.
This nor my response has anything to do with science,
It's nice that someone is a fan of Scientology but I am not.
Science can prove many things, but does that make it correct? No.
Love is a never ending discussion that science will never be able to prove exists.
I'm sorry you wasted your time on your last post, but it changes nothing.
If love is real it's not felt through the brain, it's felt through the heart.

Oh. My. Are you for real? That was the most ignorant statement I have heard. Ever.

- Science is based on philosophy, therefore science is relevant in any philosophical discussion where empirical details are relevant.
- Scientology is a religious cult that extorts people for money. Science is the human activity of seeking natural explanations for natural phenomena that involves testing and comparing.
- If science can 'prove something beyond reasonable doubt', then yes, it makes it 'correct'.
- Science has already 'proven beyond reasonable doubt' that love exists.
- The heart does not have any neurons, so you can't feel anything 'in the heart'.

Stormblazer Posted at 1:10 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 1:07 pm on July 10, 2009

I was actually referring to storge, philia, eros, and agape. Basically family-love, friendship-love, romantic-love, and divine-love. C. S. Lewis wrote a little book about them that has around 100% fewer talking lion Jesuses than most people would expect from him.
I've heard of those forms, though from a different source I can't seem to recall - I think it was based in chinese thought though rather than greek, and was slightly different.

However, for me, friendship and romantic are so close to identical that it does not matter - and even of the same form, no two relations between people are exactly alike any more than any two people are.

TheOtherHorseman Posted at 1:01 pm on July 10, 2009
Quote: from Katx at 3:39 pm on July 10, 2009

You have yet to notice where this topic is located though, have you?
Religion and PHILOSOPHY.
This nor my response has anything to do with science,
It's nice that someone is a fan of Scientology but I am not.
Science can prove many things, but does that make it correct? No.
Love is a never ending discussion that science will never be able to prove exists.
I'm sorry you wasted your time on your last post, but it changes nothing.
If love is real it's not felt through the brain, it's felt through the heart.

Kat, everything you just said was stupid and wrong.

I will support that statement if requested.

Areola Posted at 12:39 pm on July 10, 2009
You have yet to notice where this topic is located though, have you?
Religion and PHILOSOPHY.
This nor my response has anything to do with science,
It's nice that someone is a fan of Scientology but I am not.
Science can prove many things, but does that make it correct? No.
Love is a never ending discussion that science will never be able to prove exists.
I'm sorry you wasted your time on your last post, but it changes nothing.
If love is real it's not felt through the brain, it's felt through the heart.
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