Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic There is no logical reason to believe in god Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]blufindr[/m] at 2:57 am on Jan. 6, 2009[quote]Logicality =/= faith.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post penumbra Posted at 2:53 am on Jan. 6, 2009 Here- an essentially all encompassing refutation of "logical" arguments for god. http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Top_ten_arguments_for_the_existence_of_God

Replies myystic Posted at 12:54 am on Jan. 8, 2009 eh, take your point, but we're ultimately still labelling them pompous assholes such that we can get away with what we 'need' to, rather than they be the ones to have free reign. if they were to label us the same thing, we're chasing our own tail. as for blaming 9/11 on the gays - i suppose it makes some sort of sense, though it's hardly the whole story. cynically, i'm on the side of thinking it was merely done for sensationalist "look at me" value, though if it were done for actual reasons i'd largely think it'd be to do with a culture of people who believe that gays are sinners and should be burnt at the stake whilst facing mecca. this is where i often get criticised for "blaming the victim", which i largely label as irrelevant leftie garbage trying to bleed my heart out, but i stick by it. if you're going to waltz around purporting to a leaning others religiously loathe, part of me thinks it's your damned fault for being so proud about it. only nails that stick out get hammered back in, sort of thing. obvious child Posted at 2:01 pm on Jan. 7, 2009 Quote: from myystic at 2:39 am on Jan. 7, 2009 but what's so morally/logically/validly incorrect about being a pompous asshole? most of those dudes are hilarious. and if we're going to call bin laden a religious murderer, then we should strongly consider what we consider 'proof', imo. Being a pompous asshole independent is bad. When one is a pompous asshole because of religion and has huge numbers of people following that person, we have a problem as those people can effect legislation making life far worse for the rest of us. Notice who I stated, Dobson. Fawell too. These are people who said that 9/11 was because of gays. Really. starla91 Posted at 6:54 am on Jan. 7, 2009 there's not much logic in anything we do. not really. we drown our sorrows in poison (aka alcohol) which obviously won't work, but we do it anyways. When we fall in love we put our happiness in the hands of someone else, where's the logic in that? things don't make sense, so why should believing in god be an excption to that?:S myystic Posted at 4:39 am on Jan. 7, 2009 Quote: from obvious child at 7:41 am on Jan. 7, 2009 When they become pompous assholes like Dobson. not that i'm needling you or anything oc, but what's so morally/logically/validly incorrect about being a pompous asshole? most of those dudes are hilarious. and if we're going to call bin laden a religious murderer, then we should strongly consider what we consider 'proof', imo. sophos Posted at 6:06 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 In one of the pictures there, it looked as if Jesus was spooning that little girl. Indecent propagation. TigressaLynnMae Posted at 4:04 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 So, lets not take into account the countless lives which are saved because of Christianity - and various other religions also. What about te account of the lives taken because of the religion? While you are clear 'people cause wars', the reason behind them are often religious. LittleBombs Posted at 12:47 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from obvious child at 12:41 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from LittleBombs at 10:31 am on Jan. 6, 2009 People like something to believe in. The idea of God gives people hope, and can actually make someone a better person.    Whats so wrong about that? When they become pompous assholes like Dobson. When they become religious murderers like Bin Laden.   When they become extremely intolerant whackjobs like Graham Jr.   When they ignore all evidence to suit their beliefs and fuck life over for the rest of us. So, lets not take into account the countless lives which are saved because of Christianity - and various other religions also. In my opinion, the ones who murder people and do horrible things in the name of their god, have always been bad people. And they use religion as an excuse. They use their god as an excuse.  It's nothing to do with religion itself. Religion does not cause war, people do. obvious child Posted at 12:41 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from LittleBombs at 10:31 am on Jan. 6, 2009 People like something to believe in. The idea of God gives people hope, and can actually make someone a better person. Whats so wrong about that? When they become pompous assholes like Dobson. When they become religious murderers like Bin Laden. When they become extremely intolerant whackjobs like Graham Jr. When they ignore all evidence to suit their beliefs and fuck life over for the rest of us. LittleBombs Posted at 12:31 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 People like something to believe in. The idea of God gives people hope, and can actually make someone a better person. Whats so wrong about that? obvious child Posted at 12:28 pm on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from h a t t at 12:55 am on Jan. 6, 2009 there's nothing logical about faith For the most part in regards to religious faith. However logic does state it is foolish to think something does not exist merely because no evidence exists. A logical position would be it may or may not exist. Lack of information does not equate to either way. GeneCosta Posted at 10:41 am on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from skynewton7 at 3:01 am on Jan. 6, 2009 how do u know the taste of an apple if u never eat it? how do u know if God is real if u never feel it How do you know if invisible pink unicorns who shit candy canes out of their mouths are real if you never felt it land on your face? exceedinglyrare Posted at 7:45 am on Jan. 6, 2009 That would be why, generally speaking, it's stupid to attempt to convince someone that your beliefs are the correct ones. johnroberts Posted at 5:35 am on Jan. 6, 2009 I'm an agnostic. There is logic.. sort of.. If God exists, he can exist outside of logic because he would be omnipotent. myystic Posted at 4:49 am on Jan. 6, 2009 if you believe logic is correlated, or even identical, to validity, you've got some philosophy classes to take. Taurian Posted at 4:21 am on Jan. 6, 2009 Quote: from Dass at 11:08 am on Jan. 6, 2009 as it is right now, the y guy arguing pro-science are no better than those for pro-intelligent design neither has any more proof than theories and calculations and if argument is all you need to proves the existence of something, then surely neither has the higher ground Irrefutable evidence is all you need to prove the existence of something; science has it by the bucketload, all religion has are unsubstantiated doctrines. Most recent 15 of 25 previous replies displayed.