Do you financially provide for either of them? No.
Did you have to go out at 10 or 11:30 at night for 'diaper runs? No, everything is provided for you in the house/apartment.
Did you have to work to pay for those items? No, the parents did.
Did you have to go to their Doctors appointments with them? Maybe one or two but pretty much not at all.
Did you gestate and birth them? No.
Fine, you don't know nothing, but you barely know anything either way.
Most of my friends had younger siblings, yet around my son they had no idea how to hold him or mix a bottle or what the hell to do for anything.
Quote: from Muneca at 3:24 pm on July 12, 2009 Quote: from musicfan3 at 1:18 pm on July 12, 2009 Quote: from JennyColada at 7:03 am on July 12, 2009 I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/ I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely. Its not mooching if they are force you to go. And just cause we don't have a child our selves doesn't mean we don't know stuff. Some of us might have little brothers and sisters and things like that. Like where I live, there's a family here with 6 small children. Thats a lot to handle, but we, together as a community do our best to pitch in and help out you know? Help out with 6 small children=/=Parent Your arrogance is astounding if you really think that beings that you helped out with six kids you know more than a parent. You don't make any sense. I never called myself a parent but just cause I don't have a kid doesn't mean I don't know anything. But I do have lots of experience with kids since I volunteer and babysit and care for them a lot. Sometimes the parents just want a break and they might go out to dinner and leave me in charge for a while. I've even taken care of them while the parents was away on their 2nd honeymoon.
Quote: from musicfan3 at 1:18 pm on July 12, 2009 Quote: from JennyColada at 7:03 am on July 12, 2009 I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/ I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely. Its not mooching if they are force you to go. And just cause we don't have a child our selves doesn't mean we don't know stuff. Some of us might have little brothers and sisters and things like that. Like where I live, there's a family here with 6 small children. Thats a lot to handle, but we, together as a community do our best to pitch in and help out you know? Help out with 6 small children=/=Parent Your arrogance is astounding if you really think that beings that you helped out with six kids you know more than a parent.
Quote: from JennyColada at 7:03 am on July 12, 2009 I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/ I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely. Its not mooching if they are force you to go. And just cause we don't have a child our selves doesn't mean we don't know stuff. Some of us might have little brothers and sisters and things like that. Like where I live, there's a family here with 6 small children. Thats a lot to handle, but we, together as a community do our best to pitch in and help out you know?
I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/ I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely.
I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely.
Its not mooching if they are force you to go. And just cause we don't have a child our selves doesn't mean we don't know stuff. Some of us might have little brothers and sisters and things like that. Like where I live, there's a family here with 6 small children. Thats a lot to handle, but we, together as a community do our best to pitch in and help out you know?
Help out with 6 small children=/=Parent
Your arrogance is astounding if you really think that beings that you helped out with six kids you know more than a parent.
You don't make any sense. I never called myself a parent but just cause I don't have a kid doesn't mean I don't know anything. But I do have lots of experience with kids since I volunteer and babysit and care for them a lot. Sometimes the parents just want a break and they might go out to dinner and leave me in charge for a while. I've even taken care of them while the parents was away on their 2nd honeymoon.
Your completely missing the point. I never called you a parent either, I was simply comparing the two. You do not know the expenses of raising a child if you are not a parent and have not experienced it first hand.
Yeah, I'm sure you "know stuff" but you don't know as much as a parent does. I'm in the same boat as you. I'm not a parent yet, but soon to be. Your arrogance is astounding if you really think that beings that you helped out with six kids you know more than a parent. I raised ALL my mothers children, but am I a parent? No.
Gaining knowledge through experience is the most accurate way to gain knowledge.
It's one of those experiences you have to have to understand though. I'm not saying you can't know anything about it but you wont be able to relate until you actually go through it. As bad as this is going to sound it's like being raped. No one can know what you're going through except others who have been through the same thing. The difference is that rape is a negative experience whereas parenting is a positive one. You could be knowledgeable about rape but until you've gone through it you don't really know exactly what you're talking about.
Quote: from JennyColada at 8:05 am on July 11, 2009 I don't really think it's fair to say "if you haven't gone through a teen pregnancy then you know nothing about it." There are quite a few things in my life that I've never gone through that I know a fair amount about. I'm sure there are also things in your life that you know about but have not experienced first hand. Sure, opinions can definitely change and vary when you're in a situation (like, I may feel differently about how I want to spend my money when I have a child when I actually HAVE a child), but to try to assume that I (and everyone else) is 100% ignorant simply because I haven't pushed a child through my womb is kind of daft, just as having a child doesn't mean that you suddenly gain all sorts of wisdom and information. I always get a bit insulted when someone tries to claim that my opinion is somehow invalid because I have not gone through whatever it is my opinion is about. You might know a bit about it but you don't know more than the people who have gone through it. No, as soon as you puch out your first child doesn't endow you with all sorts of wisdom but after spending 2 years with my child I think i've learned quite a bit. And I know I know how much things cost. It's not as expensive as everyone makes it out to be. And everyone puts alot more responsibility on teen parents then college students per se. Why is it ok for a 25 year old college student to live with their parents who are paying for them to go to college free of charge while it's not ok for a 17 or 18 year old parent to take a year or so with their parents to earn some money, finish high school, or even start college to ensure a better life for their child?
I don't really think it's fair to say "if you haven't gone through a teen pregnancy then you know nothing about it." There are quite a few things in my life that I've never gone through that I know a fair amount about. I'm sure there are also things in your life that you know about but have not experienced first hand. Sure, opinions can definitely change and vary when you're in a situation (like, I may feel differently about how I want to spend my money when I have a child when I actually HAVE a child), but to try to assume that I (and everyone else) is 100% ignorant simply because I haven't pushed a child through my womb is kind of daft, just as having a child doesn't mean that you suddenly gain all sorts of wisdom and information. I always get a bit insulted when someone tries to claim that my opinion is somehow invalid because I have not gone through whatever it is my opinion is about.
Sure, opinions can definitely change and vary when you're in a situation (like, I may feel differently about how I want to spend my money when I have a child when I actually HAVE a child), but to try to assume that I (and everyone else) is 100% ignorant simply because I haven't pushed a child through my womb is kind of daft, just as having a child doesn't mean that you suddenly gain all sorts of wisdom and information.
I always get a bit insulted when someone tries to claim that my opinion is somehow invalid because I have not gone through whatever it is my opinion is about.
You might know a bit about it but you don't know more than the people who have gone through it. No, as soon as you puch out your first child doesn't endow you with all sorts of wisdom but after spending 2 years with my child I think i've learned quite a bit. And I know I know how much things cost. It's not as expensive as everyone makes it out to be. And everyone puts alot more responsibility on teen parents then college students per se. Why is it ok for a 25 year old college student to live with their parents who are paying for them to go to college free of charge while it's not ok for a 17 or 18 year old parent to take a year or so with their parents to earn some money, finish high school, or even start college to ensure a better life for their child?
Well look at it this way. I really don't feel the need to go to college. However my parents feel it is required and it a expense they CHOOSE to bare. If they are going to require it why shouldn't they pay for it?
Quote: from dunebug at 6:09 pm on July 9, 2009 Quote: from musicfan3 at 1:14 pm on July 9, 2009 Not in the sense of someone who has to go to school with teen mothers and talks to them on a frequent level. Zomgggggggggggzzz serrrrlyzzyyy?!?!!? You actually talked to a teen mother? WOWWWWZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!! You are clearly suited to give any and all manner of parenting advice! In fact, you should see if you can take over the Dr.Spock website since you clearly know sooooooooooooooozz much more about parenting than ANY of ussssss!!! My MIL died of cancer. Since I was there, I guess that equates to me knowing exactly what it's like to have and deal with cancer. I think I'll go to the cancer ward and tell all those cancer schmoes how they should feel and deal with their cancer. Clearly, I know just as much if not more about then they do. I mean, I talked to her and I was there. And we were friends. Everyone with cancer should listen to me and me alone and take what I say quite seriously. Thats two totally different things. Cancer is so different from teen age pregnancy I don't see how anyone could ever compare the choice. You don't chose to get cancer. You do chose to become pregnant when you chose to make irresponsible choices. And just so you know its not just the teenage mom who has to go through the pregnancy but so do her friends, family, and other people in her life. A teenager's life is not the only life affected when she has a baby.
Quote: from musicfan3 at 1:14 pm on July 9, 2009 Not in the sense of someone who has to go to school with teen mothers and talks to them on a frequent level. Zomgggggggggggzzz serrrrlyzzyyy?!?!!? You actually talked to a teen mother? WOWWWWZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!! You are clearly suited to give any and all manner of parenting advice! In fact, you should see if you can take over the Dr.Spock website since you clearly know sooooooooooooooozz much more about parenting than ANY of ussssss!!! My MIL died of cancer. Since I was there, I guess that equates to me knowing exactly what it's like to have and deal with cancer. I think I'll go to the cancer ward and tell all those cancer schmoes how they should feel and deal with their cancer. Clearly, I know just as much if not more about then they do. I mean, I talked to her and I was there. And we were friends. Everyone with cancer should listen to me and me alone and take what I say quite seriously.
Not in the sense of someone who has to go to school with teen mothers and talks to them on a frequent level.
Zomgggggggggggzzz serrrrlyzzyyy?!?!!? You actually talked to a teen mother? WOWWWWZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!! You are clearly suited to give any and all manner of parenting advice! In fact, you should see if you can take over the Dr.Spock website since you clearly know sooooooooooooooozz much more about parenting than ANY of ussssss!!!
My MIL died of cancer. Since I was there, I guess that equates to me knowing exactly what it's like to have and deal with cancer. I think I'll go to the cancer ward and tell all those cancer schmoes how they should feel and deal with their cancer. Clearly, I know just as much if not more about then they do. I mean, I talked to her and I was there. And we were friends. Everyone with cancer should listen to me and me alone and take what I say quite seriously.
Thats two totally different things. Cancer is so different from teen age pregnancy I don't see how anyone could ever compare the choice. You don't chose to get cancer. You do chose to become pregnant when you chose to make irresponsible choices.
And just so you know its not just the teenage mom who has to go through the pregnancy but so do her friends, family, and other people in her life. A teenager's life is not the only life affected when she has a baby.
I disagree. I support myself. My parents, friends, and family have absolutely nothing to do with me or my baby. There life is in no way affected by me having a child. You don't need to be making such strong generalizations.
So because your teen friends have a child your saying that ALL teen parents are the same. You can do all the research and watch as many programs on MTV about teen pregnancy all you want but you have not experienced it for yourself therefore you don't know anything about it.
I was talking about other forms of cancer such as leukemia. And I haven't done anything wrong because this topic was about why society were mean to teen mothers and I gave reasons why and also explained how a teen age pregnancy is not just about the mom but others too. I explained why and how it effects the world at large. There are negatives about everything in life and I did look at it from both sides when I talked about how the burden of teen age pregnancy is lessened. While its a benefit for the mom, it might not always be a benefit for society. Originally the question was asked what does RESPONSIBILITY have to do with and thing and I proved that too, showing how the burdens of teen pregnancy is lessened through the grandparents and taxes. In fact by lessening the burden on teen age mothers we as a society are glorifying it because now this gives teens the idea that they'll just have a baby and everything is gonna be the way it was before. But its not. Its a life altering decision and for how widespread the problem is teens just don't seem to realize this and when they do its too late to take back what has already been done. I wasn't obnoxious in any way and in fact its you who is the one who is being that way to me with your comments. I never insulted anyone and only said things to prove my point further. None of my comments were directed at any one person and so I don't see what your trying to pull here. When I did address you or (anyone of the parents) I did so to prompt questions that would emphasis my point. What about the other stuff that was said on this thread such as "they should of kept they're legs shut"? Are you not offended by that? At-least I gave my explanation then just posting mean comments like that. You should report those folks not me.
I was talking about other forms of cancer such as leukemia. And I haven't done anything wrong because this topic was about why society were mean to teen mothers and I gave reasons why and also explained how a teen age pregnancy is not just about the mom but others too. I explained why and how it effects the world at large. There are negatives about everything in life and I did look at it from both sides when I talked about how the burden of teen age pregnancy is lessened. While its a benefit for the mom, it might not always be a benefit for society. Originally the question was asked what does RESPONSIBILITY have to do with and thing and I proved that too, showing how the burdens of teen pregnancy is lessened through the grandparents and taxes. In fact by lessening the burden on teen age mothers we as a society are glorifying it because now this gives teens the idea that they'll just have a baby and everything is gonna be the way it was before. But its not. Its a life altering decision and for how widespread the problem is teens just don't seem to realize this and when they do its too late to take back what has already been done. I wasn't obnoxious in any way and in fact its you who is the one who is being that way to me with your comments. I never insulted anyone and only said things to prove my point further. None of my comments were directed at any one person and so I don't see what your trying to pull here. When I did address you or (anyone of the parents) I did so to prompt questions that would emphasis my point.
What about the other stuff that was said on this thread such as "they should of kept they're legs shut"? Are you not offended by that? At-least I gave my explanation then just posting mean comments like that. You should report those folks not me.
STFU. She used cancer as an example. Cancer and pregnancy are two totally diffrent thigs, there you are correct, but the example that she used to connect the two situations are EXACTLY what your doing. You just sound flat out stupid. Unless you are a teen parent, then NO you don't know everything about being one. So get the fuck out of here with that mindset.
Quote: from renegade riot at 2:58 am on July 10, 2009 Quote: from musicfan3 at 11:46 am on June 26, 2009 Quote: from Mein Alias at 1:44 pm on June 26, 2009 Because they're idiots. Because they make bad choices. Teens aren't capable of truly caring for another life. I'd be pissed to if I was a grandma and I got stuck with it. Thast bullshit and you know it your telling me I dont love my mother or my brother? How bout My GF what about anybody i take care of NOW. think before you speak Bitch! Sometimes that happens where the baby has to be cared for by the grandparents. That doesn't happen in all cases but it does happen and it can put a strain on some families when they've got an extra mouth to feed. With out the support of the grandparents its a really struggle for some people. Just because a teen might not be able to care for their child does not mean they don't love their child I never said anything like that, I just meant they might not be able to provide for them in terms of a job, financial support and things like that from being so young.
Quote: from musicfan3 at 11:46 am on June 26, 2009 Quote: from Mein Alias at 1:44 pm on June 26, 2009 Because they're idiots. Because they make bad choices. Teens aren't capable of truly caring for another life. I'd be pissed to if I was a grandma and I got stuck with it. Thast bullshit and you know it your telling me I dont love my mother or my brother? How bout My GF what about anybody i take care of NOW. think before you speak Bitch!
Quote: from Mein Alias at 1:44 pm on June 26, 2009 Because they're idiots. Because they make bad choices. Teens aren't capable of truly caring for another life. I'd be pissed to if I was a grandma and I got stuck with it.
Because they're idiots.
Because they make bad choices. Teens aren't capable of truly caring for another life. I'd be pissed to if I was a grandma and I got stuck with it.
Thast bullshit and you know it your telling me I dont love my mother or my brother? How bout My GF what about anybody i take care of NOW. think before you speak Bitch!
Sometimes that happens where the baby has to be cared for by the grandparents. That doesn't happen in all cases but it does happen and it can put a strain on some families when they've got an extra mouth to feed. With out the support of the grandparents its a really struggle for some people. Just because a teen might not be able to care for their child does not mean they don't love their child I never said anything like that, I just meant they might not be able to provide for them in terms of a job, financial support and things like that from being so young.
I've given you many examples just from my own life about how two teens can support a child even financially. Right now I am cooking spaghetti, on my stove, in my apartment, while watching my kids whom I pay for. I am married to my kids' father even though we had our first son when I was 18 (pregnant at 17) and my husband was 17. We had help for a small while 6-7 months and now we pay for EVERYTHING that we need for our kids. So yes teens are capable of taking care of/paying for their children.
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