Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic There is nothing wrong with believing in god. Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post utheh Posted at 3:58 pm on July 10, 2009 Alot of people have imaginary friends.

Replies Forever Angel Posted at 4:33 pm on July 14, 2009 Quote: from SpM at 12:47 pm on July 14, 2009 Could you cite a probable example of an unjustified belief I might hold? I don't know that much about your beliefs. But, are you saying everything you believe is backed by empirical evidence? That you take absolutely nothing on faith? SpM Posted at 10:47 am on July 14, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:27 am on July 11, 2009 I'm totally self-assured, self-confident and self-aware. But I don't make topics that poke fun at those who I disagree with or who may disagree with me. I never contested this. The only claims I make are those of my belief. It doesn't bother me that you may disagree. What bothers me is that so many who do disagree, feel it makes them superior and me (and/or those who believe as I do), inferior. It does not make them right or even probably right. Your beliefs are unsupported and contrary to the laws of physics which have never been observed to falter. This makes them astounding unlikely and inferior in the rational sense. You may be a better or worse person than the average non-believer, and you may be more or less rational in other areas, but here you are indubitably less rational and thus fair game for a little mocking. When you find that there is empirical evidence for everything you believe, then you can look down on those of faith. However, at that point you'll probably find you have lost all human qualities and values.   Could you cite a probable example of an unjustified belief I might hold? If the only reason you suppress your laughter is because of social conditioning, please see a therapist to help you over that. You believe a man can rot in a cave for three days and rise from the dead, subsequently ascending, body and soul, into Heaven. That is sillier, and funnier in its way, than a grown man believing in unicorns. S0LITUDE Posted at 10:19 am on July 14, 2009 Quote: from Mafioso at 5:00 pm on July 14, 2009 Quote: from S0LITUDE at 3:59 pm on July 10, 2009 after five there might be a problem stupid livewire ad. There's no god, stop trying to convert all of them damn atheists how can you be so sure?!!! suppose that what you said is right(there is no god).so the believers are going to lose after death? but in other hand  what will happen if they are right? nothing but hell. You can make your choice wisely  either bellive in god,or stay hopeless in this life without knowing where you came from, where are you going to or why are you in this life. well, first of all that was a joke. However, I would like to point out that atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods, and nothing else. second of all, no matter what anyone says no one knows where we came from, or where we're going. I guess I should ask "how can you be so sure?". If you find a religious myth to be satysfying then good for you. Mafioso Posted at 8:00 am on July 14, 2009 Quote: from S0LITUDE at 3:59 pm on July 10, 2009 after five there might be a problem   stupid livewire ad. There's no god, stop trying to convert all of them damn atheists how can you be so sure?!!! suppose that what you said is right(there is no god).so the believers are going to lose after death? but in other hand what will happen if they are right? nothing but hell. You can make your choice wisely either bellive in god,or stay hopeless in this life without knowing where you came from, where are you going to or why are you in this life. Mrtyu Posted at 9:41 pm on July 13, 2009 As Siddhartha Gautama once asked: Wrong-doing arises from mind, if mind is changed can wrong-doing remain? I believe God is made-up and is not real, but if it gets people to be good then it does not matter to me. SovSull Posted at 7:56 pm on July 12, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:14 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from SovSull at 6:00 pm on July 10, 2009 dtrm is leaking Maybe a first? I agree with you. okay Forever Angel Posted at 11:24 am on July 12, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 6:44 am on July 12, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:27 am on July 11, 2009 When you find that there is empirical evidence for everything you believe, then you can look down on those of faith. However, at that point you'll probably find you have lost all human qualities and values. So you are saying that reason and rationality is not even a value? How far can you sink in your desperate attempt to hold on to primitive iron age mythology? Arguing with Forever Angel is pretty much banging your head against a wall since you do not even agree with the fundamentals, such as reason being a value. At least try to understand what I say before making accusations based on your erroneous (on purpose?) interpretations. tdc17 Posted at 11:22 am on July 12, 2009 It's simple.. they have fragile minds so they need to believe in something like god. I believed in santa and god when I was little, then I became older, smarter with a strong mind, and got common sense. Moridin Posted at 4:44 am on July 12, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:27 am on July 11, 2009 When you find that there is empirical evidence for everything you believe, then you can look down on those of faith. However, at that point you'll probably find you have lost all human qualities and values. So you are saying that reason and rationality is not even a value? How far can you sink in your desperate attempt to hold on to primitive iron age mythology? Arguing with Forever Angel is pretty much banging your head against a wall since you do not even agree with the fundamentals, such as reason being a value. Forever Angel Posted at 5:27 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from SpM at 6:56 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:38 am on July 11, 2009 It matters not the number of claims made. Only the attitude of superiority expressed in the claims. The OP here is a fine example. Superiority and self-assurance can be more or less justified. In cases where one is probably right, it is fairly excusable. In cases where one's claims are wildly improbable, it is anything from laughable to intolerable. To say that a being whose existence is completely unsupported by empirical evidence is non-existent is to make a modest claim. To say that a being whose existence is completely unsupported by empirical evidence does exist is anything but modest, and claiming to know what this being has done in the past and wants in the future, and proclaiming that the fate of all existence, including our own illustrious species, is bound up inextricably in this tale is to make an extraordinary claim. The only reason your religion does not cause irrepressible laughter in all who come across it is the social conditioning which has rendered it seemingly plausible. Not that that means it's certainly false, of course. Just somewhat barmy and not to be advanced without due caution. I'm totally self-assured, self-confident and self-aware. But I don't make topics that poke fun at those who I disagree with or who may disagree with me. The only claims I make are those of my belief. It doesn't bother me that you may disagree. What bothers me is that so many who do disagree, feel it makes them superior and me (and/or those who believe as I do), inferior. It does not make them right or even probably right. When you find that there is empirical evidence for everything you believe, then you can look down on those of faith. However, at that point you'll probably find you have lost all human qualities and values. If the only reason you suppress your laughter is because of social conditioning, please see a therapist to help you over that. SpM Posted at 4:56 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:38 am on July 11, 2009 You seem intent on picking a fight with me. Why is that? It's entirely coincidental. It matters not the number of claims made. Only the attitude of superiority expressed in the claims. The OP here is a fine example. Superiority and self-assurance can be more or less justified. In cases where one is probably right, it is fairly excusable. In cases where one's claims are wildly improbable, it is anything from laughable to intolerable. To say that a being whose existence is completely unsupported by empirical evidence is non-existent is to make a modest claim. To say that a being whose existence is completely unsupported by empirical evidence does exist is anything but modest, and claiming to know what this being has done in the past and wants in the future, and proclaiming that the fate of all existence, including our own illustrious species, is bound up inextricably in this tale is to make an extraordinary claim. The only reason your religion does not cause irrepressible laughter in all who come across it is the social conditioning which has rendered it seemingly plausible. Not that that means it's certainly false, of course. Just somewhat barmy and not to be advanced without due caution. BleedingSteelWings Posted at 4:56 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:17 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 6:39 pm on July 10, 2009 and you also. An explanation would help here... picking a fight. and an attitude of superiority Forever Angel Posted at 4:47 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from BleedingSteelWings at 6:39 pm on July 10, 2009 and you also. An explanation would help here... BleedingSteelWings Posted at 4:39 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 9:08 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from SpM at 6:33 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:17 am on July 11, 2009 And a lot of people think they know so much more than anyone else.    People who think they know who created the universe and why, the purpose of humanity, the absolute moral truth, and the nature of ultimate reality claim far more than those who think the aforementioned group are mistaken. You seem intent on picking a fight with me. Why is that?   It matters not the number of claims made. Only the attitude of superiority expressed in the claims. The OP here is a fine example. and you also. Forever Angel Posted at 4:38 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from SpM at 6:33 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:17 am on July 11, 2009 And a lot of people think they know so much more than anyone else. People who think they know who created the universe and why, the purpose of humanity, the absolute moral truth, and the nature of ultimate reality claim far more than those who think the aforementioned group are mistaken. You seem intent on picking a fight with me. Why is that? It matters not the number of claims made. Only the attitude of superiority expressed in the claims. The OP here is a fine example. Most recent 15 of 35 previous replies displayed.