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Quote: from sunshineshower at 9:17 am on Nov. 16, 2008

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kidd rune, you do know what the Torah is right?

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Yes, but I doubt he had the Torah cracked open in front of him.

The Talmud is actually more precise anyway.

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If you want to be pedantic.. the Tenach would be even better!

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Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time for decisions and revelations
which a minute will reverse - T.S. Eliot

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Are you saying that Whites aren't included in "All other people" and that Jews believed they WERE Whites?

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1. Making a difference between whites and jews at that point or that the concept of white even existed

2. Referrring to Christians since they did not even exist at the time the Torah was revealed/written.

So yes you do look like an idiot.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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I am saying that there is absolutely no evidence that the Torah was

1. Making a difference between whites and jews at that point or that the concept of white even existed

2. Referrring to Christians since they did not even exist at the time the Torah was revealed/written.

So yes you do look like an idiot.

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MY version was from the Torah

KR's version is from the KJV
Which one do you believe on this? The Torah or the KJV???????

Does the Torah speak of whites? Does it say Jews are above whites?

Are you really taking KR 's side on this? Are you really sayng Jews are supremacists above whites?

come on if you know so much tell us.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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"For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth."

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"The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because you were more in number than any people; for you were the fewest of all people; but because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your ancestors."

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Views of superiority have been explicitly rejected by Reform, Conservative and Modern Orthodox Judaism. Communal Jewish organizations such as the B'nai Brith, American Jewish Committee and Anti-Defamation League reject discrimination against Gentiles as well as against Jews. Historically however, a minority strain in Judaism, usually associated with Jewish mysticism, did appear to hold that Jews were qualitatively different from Gentiles, rather than simply being chosen for a special mission.

The Encyclopedia Judaica provides a secular, historical explanation of this belief, stating that "It would seem that the more extreme, and exclusive, interpretations of the doctrine of election, among Jewish thinkers, were partly the result of reaction to oppression by the non-Jewish world. The more the Jew was forced to close in on himself, to withdraw into the imposed confines of the ghetto, the more he tended to emphasize Israel's difference from the cruel gentile without. Only thus did his suffering become intelligible and bearable... When the Jew was eventually allowed to find his place in a gentile world, the less exclusivist aspect of the doctrine reasserted itself."

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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I do know what that is, I am Jewish.

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I'm not a white supremacist Jew. I think the argument you two seem to be having is whether the Torah says Jews are above all others, well yes it does. But not above whites exclusively. Above white gentiles, but also above black gentiles. And black jews are above white gentiles etc...

The end.

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Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time for decisions and revelations
which a minute will reverse - T.S. Eliot

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Except you have ZERO evidence to support your shit.

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WTF are you talking about?

MY version was from the Torah

KR's version is from the KJV
Which one do you believe on this? The Torah or the KJV???????

Does the Torah speak of whites? Does it say Jews are above whites?

Are you really taking KR 's side on this? Are you really sayng Jews are supremacists above whites?

come on if you know so much tell us.

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Are you a white supremacist Jew?

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I think the argument you two seem to be having is whether the Torah says Jews are above all others, well yes it does. But not above whites exclusively. Above white gentiles, but also above black gentiles. And black jews are above white gentiles etc...

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woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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I think the argument you two seem to be having is whether the Torah says Jews are above all others, well yes it does. But not above whites exclusively. Above white gentiles, but also above black gentiles. And black jews are above white gentiles etc....

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KR thinks Jews =/= whites

So to him it means automatically ABOVE whites since for him Jews can't be white.

I got Jewish freinds they think of themselves as white. They look white. They have white ancestors.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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I quoted straight from their silly book.

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End of story.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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The thing though is at the time the torah was written I doubt they had even the concept of white/black etc...

KR thinks Jews =/= whites

So to him it means automatically ABOVE whites since for him Jews can't be white.

I got Jewish freinds they think of themselves as white. They look white. They have white ancestors.

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And, back then, people didn't switch religions and mix like that.

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You quoted from a greek translation of a hebrew text and applied its meaning out of historical context. Thats just stupid.

End of story.

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