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Europe is an area where most white people have lived in the past, so it should be your own territory. But shouldn't the European Union be doing soemthing bout that?
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Quote: from kidd rune at 1:48 am on Sep. 2, 2008
Good. As you should know, that very slight difference can be held accountable for MANY differences., differences that have contributed to humanity. Go to the pet store and get a bulldog. Train him to act like a Poodle. Now, after he's fully grown, see if he acts like a poodle or a Bulldog. 
The reason we have a fairly good idea of how different dog breeds will act is because, well, we bred them. They have been selected again and again for certain very specific traits and we know exactly which traits those are. Unguided evolution is infinitely more messy and complicated, and we are at the huge disadvantage of not having witnessed it in its myriad stages. While we can observe the occasional phenomenon in different groups - people originating in certain parts of Africa can run faster, Europeans are far less likely to be lactose intolerant, varying melanin levels depending on climate, facial structure etc etc etc we are completely ignorant as to most of the differences. And most possible variances are impossible to test because we cannot separate out genetics and environment. That poor black kid scored poorly on his IQ test and the rich white kid scored well? No shit. Not to mention the variance between individuals dwarfs racial trends making it, again, irrelevant.
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The reason we have a fairly good idea of how different dog breeds will act is because, well, we bred them. They have been selected again and again for certain very specific traits and we know exactly which traits those are. 
Same with humans. I think I made a post on white-black differences. You should check it out. Thank the whites for dog domestication by the way...
Unguided evolution is infinitely more messy and complicated, and we are at the huge disadvantage of not having witnessed it in its myriad stages. 
But we do know our differences. I think we should preserve them. They are valuable, and are STILL adaptions.
While we can observe the occasional phenomenon in different groups - people originating in certain parts of Africa can run faster, Europeans are far less likely to be lactose intolerant, varying melanin levels depending on climate, facial structure etc etc etc we are completely ignorant as to most of the differences. 
And that's just a very small amount.
And most possible variances are impossible to test because we cannot separate out genetics and environment. That poor black kid scored poorly on his IQ test and the rich white kid scored well? No shit. 
Even when Blacks and Whites have the same backgrounds, in terms of family income and childhood advantages, Blacks still have average I.Q. scores 12 to 15 points lower than comparable Whites. This includes cases where Black children have been adopted by White parents. Their I.Q.s may be improved by environment, but they are still closer to their biological parents than their adoptive parents.
Not to mention the variance between individuals dwarfs racial trends making it, again, irrelevant. 
YEARS of evolution has changed us. Nothing a few generations could do can change ANYTHING back to even a small portion of that extent.
------- "One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents... occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik, Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"
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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:10 am on Sep. 2, 2008
The reason we have a fairly good idea of how different dog breeds will act is because, well, we bred them. They have been selected again and again for certain very specific traits and we know exactly which traits those are.
Same with humans. I think I made a post on white-black differences. You should check it out. Thank the whites for dog domestication by the way...
No, we have not been selected again and again for very specific traits. We have been selected again and again for very general traits, and occasionally for specific traits. Humans all survive for pretty much the same reasons. And so we are all selected for pretty much the same traits. Different environments alter the specifics, but not the fundamentals.
But we do know our differences. I think we should preserve them. They are valuable, and are STILL adaptions. 
Adaptations to what? Life ain't what it used to be. A human body perfectly designed to withstand starvation in a desert is now weighed down with 300lbs of fat because of a constant food supply. Evolution is a slow and aimless process, not an omniscient wonder.
Even when Blacks and Whites have the same backgrounds, in terms of family income and childhood advantages, Blacks still have average I.Q. scores 12 to 15 points lower than comparable Whites. This includes cases where Black children have been adopted by White parents. Their I.Q.s may be improved by environment, but they are still closer to their biological parents than their adoptive parents. 
I'm happy to assume blacks are slightly less intelligent for the sake of argument (a real debate of the issue is of no interest to me, I'm afraid). So slightly fewer get into Yale. Slightly fewer end up being doctors and rocket scientists. Slightly more end up mowing lawns. Why does it matter?
YEARS of evolution has changed us. Nothing a few generations could do can change ANYTHING back to even a small portion of that extent.
And yet you seem so worried about interracial reproduction.
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Quote: from kidd rune at 5:32 pm on Sep. 1, 2008
Portugal, Rome, Greece, Egypt, India, and South Africa to name A FEW. 
actually diversity made their STRENGTH. Egype included peoples of ALL races at the peak of its power. Rome got destroyed mostly by itself and its BAD leaders. Then the germanic barbarians came and took advantage of the corrupt and decadent emperors. Every empire eventually goes downhill after a while. its more a cycle thing.
Really? I'd like to see some proof of this. 
Rome is a good example. Roman civilization was a mix of Greek, egyptian and even some persian influences. The more they mixed and exchanged culture and knowledge the more civlizations GROW http://www.medbc.com/annals/review/vol_5/num_1/text/vol5n1p5.htm
------- "Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin' That's how we be survivin'" - BEP
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i'm more interested in individuals since entire races of people can't completely agree. Those who chose self-determination can do so, as long as they're doing so with others of like mind. So, in a sense, we all pretty much have that right anyway.
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People and their fricken rights. We have a right to live. That is all I can think of...
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8:15 pm on Sep. 1, 2008 | Joined: Aug. 2004 | Days Active: 538 Join to learn more about smartlake Washington, United States | Asexual Male | Posts: 5,214 | Points: 14,215
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( kidd rune )
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No, we have not been selected again and again for very specific traits. We have been selected again and again for very general traits, and occasionally for specific traits. Humans all survive for pretty much the same reasons. And so we are all selected for pretty much the same traits. Different environments alter the specifics, but not the fundamentals. 
Regardless, we're different. We have so many differences, it's impossible to name them all.
Adaptations to what? Life ain't what it used to be. A human body perfectly designed to withstand starvation in a desert is now weighed down with 300lbs of fat because of a constant food supply. Evolution is a slow and aimless process, not an omniscient wonder. 
Our brains evolved along with our bodies. A Nordish, East mongoloid, and Bushmen will, if brought up in the SAME circumstances, still be different. They're all humans, yes, but a different subspecies of them.
I'm happy to assume blacks are slightly less intelligent for the sake of argument (a real debate of the issue is of no interest to me, I'm afraid). So slightly fewer get into Yale. Slightly fewer end up being doctors and rocket scientists. Slightly more end up mowing lawns. Why does it matter? 
No, they aren't less intelligent, they just have different intelligence. Their brains are 'formatted' to work in a Negro created government, as white brains are 'formatted' to work in a white nation.
And yet you seem so worried about interracial reproduction.
9 months can destroy 50,000 years of separation. We are humans, and we're different. Those differences should not be mixed into sameness, but kept separate. Sure, people can mix, but we should give each and every person a CHANCE to stay with, and only with, their race.
actually diversity made their STRENGTH.
Poppycock... Yeah, I said it.
Egype included peoples of ALL races at the peak of its power.
WROOOONG. http://white-history.com/hwr8d.htm Read that.
Rome got destroyed mostly by itself and its BAD leaders. Then the germanic barbarians came and took advantage of the corrupt and decadent emperors.
Rome was destroyed because of it's bad leaders, yes. But, did you know FIVE PERCENT of the Roman population was of the original founders? FIVE PERCENT. That's not enough. It was built on some STRONG foundations to withstand that for so long. http://white-history.com/romefall.htm That's a nice read.
Every empire eventually goes downhill after a while. its more a cycle thing. 
Coincidentally, all Empires go through either racial mixing or die out because of foreign threat. Rome was horribly weakened by the former, therefore the latter reason came into effect. In many other civilizations, the former reason was the only cause, but in some, the latter was the sole reason. If you can find another reason, or a civilization that DOESN'T go by that rule, please inform me.
Rome is a good example. Roman civilization was a mix of Greek, egyptian and even some persian influences.
Rome was created by whites. The Romans themselves weren't too happy with the new immigrants either (shocker there!). http://white-history.com/romanwriters.htm Some Roman writers on race mixing in Rome.
The more they mixed and exchanged culture and knowledge the more civlizations GROW 
Probably the biggest lie I've ever heard. Oh, by the way, your link doesn't work.
People and their fricken rights. We have a right to live. That is all I can think of... 
Exactly. Races should have a right to live. If not, we will all be homogeneous, have no differences, and look the SAME.
------- "One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents... occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik, Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"
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Quote: from kidd rune at 10:27 pm on Sep. 2, 2008
Regardless, we're different. We have so many differences, it's impossible to name them all.
Just as there are so many differences between two white men that it is impossible to name them all.
Our brains evolved along with our bodies. A Nordish, East mongoloid, and Bushmen will, if brought up in the SAME circumstances, still be different.
And just like the vast majority of our bodily functions are identical regardless of the environment we evolved in, the vast majority of our mental functions will be identical. And, again, since modern society so drastically alters our environment the nuances of our evolutionary paths become irrelevant.
They're all humans, yes, but a different subspecies of them.
Find one reputable anthropological study that concludes races are pronounced enough to be considered subspecies.
No, they aren't less intelligent, they just have different intelligence. Their brains are 'formatted' to work in a Negro created government, as white brains are 'formatted' to work in a white nation. 
Nations are great melting pots of colliding cultures, languages, races and economic models, and have always been so. They are not tailor made to suit the predominant race; they are just a plethora of historical accidents and coincidences.
9 months can destroy 50,000 years of separation. We are humans, and we're different. Those differences should not be mixed into sameness, but kept separate.
Firstly, humans have been mingling and interbreeding for millennia. With the rare exception of small groups being isolated by geography, there are no "pure" races. Secondly, why is genetic segregation desirable?
Sure, people can mix, but we should give each and every person a CHANCE to stay with, and only with, their race. 
I have never encountered anyone who has advocated forced interracial reproduction. Have you? By the way, and just out of curiosity, do you also post under the username sophos?
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Just as there are so many differences between two white men that it is impossible to name them all. 
Yes, but the genetic variation between, let's say, a German and Celt, would be 60-70 times less than that of the same Celt to a Nigerian.
And just like the vast majority of our bodily functions are identical regardless of the environment we evolved in, the vast majority of our mental functions will be identical.
Yes, but some things whites can eat/drink, but will sicken Negroes. There are vast amounts of brain-related differences between Negroes and whites, with the Negro brain being 15-20% smaller, their supragranular layer being thinner with less convolutions, and their frontal lobes being smaller relative to body weight, less fissured, and less complex. These differences can amount to many things, some of which forcing environmental living conditions to be different, such as different freedoms and laws among other things. If all humans were the same in that sense, all nations would be so much alike. 1st-4th world wouldn't exist, as the only downfall to a nation would be of natural causes, which would, in turn, be helped by a neighboring nation. But, as race, culture, and people are different, conflicts arise.
And, again, since modern society so drastically alters our environment the nuances of our evolutionary paths become irrelevant.
No, it hasn't. Never once, not even in present day society, has a large group of Negroes acted like a large group of Whites. Haiti, an almost totally Negro nation, is the ONLY fourth world country in the western hemisphere. As these world rakings are, somewhat, Eurocentric (according to the standard of living. Maybe someone finds illiteracy, poverty, low life expectancy, and political instability amusing, but a nice, peaceful nation (such as almost 100% white Iceland) unwanted.
Find one reputable anthropological study that concludes races are pronounced enough to be considered subspecies.
Do you know what race and Subspecies ARE? A subspecies is a subdivision of a species, and race divides our species into 5 parts, then subrace divides those five even more.
Nations are great melting pots of colliding cultures, languages, races and economic models, and have always been so. They are not tailor made to suit the predominant race; they are just a plethora of historical accidents and coincidences.
No, they aren't. I can, easily, prove that the downfall of many civilizations was due to race mixing. If the creators of the civilization, especially one raced civilizations, mix with others or end their reign, the civilization will change into one that better suits these people. Continuation of a civilization can't happen if the creators left and were replaced. That civilization will ALWAYS fall, resulting in a mass of rubble, or a civilization that greatly differs from the previous. And, again, some nations aren't so mixed. Look at Iceland, which I love to use for this kind of thing. Iceland is, itself, 94% Nordic Descendant, and the majority of the rest are white immigrants from Europe. *Iceland has a 99.9% Literacy rate *Most Icelandic students graduate high school knowing 4-5 languages. *75% of the interior is uninhabitable and only about 1% of the land is arable *It is the most expensive (or 2nd most) country in Europe *It's the most developing country of 2008 according to the HDI (human development index) *It has tremendous medical facilities and a thriving publishing business *Virtually everyone has a telephone, and there are 1.024 cellphones per person. *There is virtually NO poverty *Iceland has the #3 lowest infant mortality rate *It has been voted as having the LEAST government corruption of ALL countries (so much for an all-white government...) *It has no coal, no fuel, no timber, no mineral wealth or natural resources, and no navigable rivers. *Virtually everything has to be imported into Iceland, but they still don't have financial problems. (I could go on and on, but I'm running out of time)
Firstly, humans have been mingling and interbreeding for millennia. With the rare exception of small groups being isolated by geography, there are no "pure" races. 
Even so, there are genetic differences that exist. Whether or not you claim them to be mixed and accidents, they are there, and these differences need preservation.
Secondly, why is genetic segregation desirable? 
To preserve our differences. So we will not all be one mixed culture/race.
I have never encountered anyone who has advocated forced interracial reproduction. Have you? By the way, and just out of curiosity, do you also post under the username sophos? 
No, I haven't, but many people don't want their kids to be shown multiracialism and multiculturalism. And this is the first and only username I've used.
------- "One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents... occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik, Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"
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