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A benevolent god can not exist
Replies: 17Last Post Oct. 8 9:51pm by sertrbl
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The Last Magister

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 1:51 pm on Oct. 7, 2009

Quote: from The Last Magister at 10:09 pm on Oct. 6, 2009

God does not act in the modern world because his gift to man was choice, if he were to act, we would be slaves.

Yea. Stopping people from being born with peanut allergies would mark me as a shackled slave-boy.

We don't have any real "choice" anyway, so where's your argument now.


You understand, don't even try to deny it. Unless he were to bend the fabric of reality and thus make everything we did moot because it could change anyways, there was nothing he should have or could have done because the universe has already been set in motion.

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He made laws of physics. Thus, he has already limited our choices.

The argument fails before it begins because in order to have absolute choice [such that, by interfering in ANYTHING we would lose our ability to "choose"] we would have to be gods ourselves. Since we are not, and because we must abide by countless rules and laws, he has already interfered enough so that we can only say:

We have as much choice as god see's fit.

If that is the case, fixing some of the bad shit would only make things better.


Anyway, like i said, humans are afflicted with only the illusion of free will. The concept of libertarian free will is ridiculous, thus any notion of "limiting our choices" is ridiculous. All he would be doing would be allowing us to make our "decisions" in a better world.

I do not mean that we don't make decision, btw, only that what decisions we make are not really ours, insofar as they are determined by myriad different factors. By changing one, you have not limited our choices, only directed them on another path.

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2:31 pm on Oct. 7, 2009 | Joined: May 2008 | Days Active: 378
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The idea is that humankind sinned, thus opening itself to all pain and suffering.
Suffering is required as punishment, otherwise God isn't just. How does that make it better? The Bible promises a future with no more suffering or pain. That's not required, He does it out of benevolence.
Don't like it? That just means you're stubborn. It is a perfectly logical argument, and I answered the question, whether you believe it or not. If you don't believe in God, you can't believe in a benevolent God, so your opinion is biased already.

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