You all keep trying to make it about life and what not, but it never was and never will be about life. It's about class. Control of the working class, to be exact. The fact of the matter is, a rich woman will ALWAYS have access to abortion, whether or not it is legal in the US. It's a means of controlling and oppressing both women and the working class by forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term any time she happens to become pregnant.  

Abortion is more dangerous than not having an abortion? Nah. Carrying a pregnancy to term is 11 times more fatal than having a trained professional perform an abortion.

People who have abortions will become manically depressed? Nah. Most people are completely fine. Most of the people who aren't fine are only that way because you anti-choice people hound them and call them murderers, even sending them birthday cards in the mail spattered with blood in some cases. Without the manufactured guilt, the social stigma that's attached to having an abortion would fall by the wayside.

Adoption is a viable option? Maybe for some people, but not everybody wants to give birth and then just hand it off to somebody else. Some people want to raise their own kids their own way and don't want other people raising them differently. Plus some people just don't want to know that their baby is out there somewhere and they'll never get a chance to know them.

Even if abortion is illegal, it doesn't mean people aren't still going to want them. This means the working class, without the means to go to a different country to get an abortion, will resort to more desperate measures. 70,000 women die every year from trying to do an abortion on their own. 88% of counties in the US have no abortion clinics. That means those people have to either find a way to get to that 12% or risk death doing it on their own.

Also, if you want to force women to give birth, why are those women then not given ANY means of support to help them raise that child? They're forced to rear this child that they don't want and are expected to just have all the resources the kid needs? Most people get abortions because they DON'T have the resources to raise a kid.  

The only reason the right wing wants live babies is so they can be raised to be dead soldiers.

PRO-LIFE IS A LIE, YOU DON'T CARE IF WOMEN DIE.

No restrictions. No apologies.

Fuck you, assholes.

Post edited at 10:35 pm on Nov. 4, 2009 by Cunning Stunt

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Post edited at 10:18 pm on Nov. 4, 2009 by Pisciculus

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Abortion is not morally permissible. People always throw the "what if this" and "what about that" into the argument. It doesn't change the fact that it is simply wrong.

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It's not a moral issue at all. Your point is moot, sir.

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with your bean bag chair so when you
roll over you can sleep on the floor naked with your bag of cheetos

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forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term any time she happens to become pregnant.

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Even if abortion is illegal, it doesn't mean people aren't still going to want them.

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I on the other hand am actually in favor of choice.

http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-naotie-support-a.html

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Quote: from Descartes at 1:17 am on Nov. 5, 2009

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Abortion is not morally permissible. People always throw the "what if this" and "what about that" into the argument. It doesn't change the fact that it is simply wrong.  
 

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It's not a moral issue at all. Your point is moot, sir.

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Similar to rape and murder not being moral issues either...

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Quote: from Descartes at 1:17 am on Nov. 5, 2009

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Abortion is not morally permissible. People always throw the "what if this" and "what about that" into the argument. It doesn't change the fact that it is simply wrong.  
 

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It's not a moral issue at all. Your point is moot, sir.

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Not a moral issue? The only part of the debate that I am concerned with is, whether or not it is right or wrong. If it is moral. On a practical level, of course abortions are justifiable. It would be stupid to deny that right. I just don't think it's right.

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Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it.
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off
Cogito Ergo Sum
Stercus accidit

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Actually, many of the people whon are anti-abortion view is as a religious thing. I mean if some dumb slut didn't want to have a baby, DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.
Oh, having a normal birth is 11 times more dangerous than having an abortion. DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.
"70,000 women die every year from trying to do an abortion on their own" --- DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.
"Also, if you want to force women to give birth, why are those women then not given ANY means of support to help them raise that child? They're forced to rear this child that they don't want and are expected to just have all the resources the kid needs? Most people get abortions because they DON'T have the resources to raise a kid."
DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT

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And then if they do get pregnant then they can have an abortion.  

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And when you're up watching cartoons at like 3 in the
morning you're nice and low to the ground
with your bean bag chair so when you
roll over you can sleep on the floor naked with your bag of cheetos

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Actually, many of the people whon are anti-abortion view is as a religious thing. I mean if some dumb slut didn't want to have a baby, DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.
Oh, having a normal birth is 11 times more dangerous than having an abortion. DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.
"70,000 women die every year from trying to do an abortion on their own" --- DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.
"Also, if you want to force women to give birth, why are those women then not given ANY means of support to help them raise that child? They're forced to rear this child that they don't want and are expected to just have all the resources the kid needs? Most people get abortions because they DON'T have the resources to raise a kid."
DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT

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And what about the percentage of girls who're impregnated by a rapist?
Is it their fault for getting pregnant?
You can't control the possibility of getting pregnant, so stop preaching as if it's capable to accomplish it.


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Rawr.

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Quote: from Total Destruction at 1:21 am on Nov. 5, 2009

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Actually, many of the people whon are anti-abortion view is as a religious thing. I mean if some dumb slut didn't want to have a baby, DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.  
 Oh, having a normal birth is 11 times more dangerous than having an abortion. DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.  
 "70,000 women die every year from trying to do an abortion on their own" --- DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT.  
 "Also, if you want to force women to give birth, why are those women then not given ANY means of support to help them raise that child? They're forced to rear this child that they don't want and are expected to just have all the resources the kid needs? Most people get abortions because they DON'T have the resources to raise a kid."  
 DON'T FUCKING GET PREGNANT

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And what about the percentage of girls who're impregnated by a rapist?
Is it their fault for getting pregnant?
You can't control the possibility of getting pregnant, so stop preaching as if it's capable to accomplish it.

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