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Your acting like they can turn off being pregnant like a light switch, but just choose not too

abortion

murder

not to everyone

To the ones that consider it murder, it isnt like a light switch

Thats when you decide not to be a dumbass and not have sex until you are in a situation that would not be shitty for them or the child
A situation that would be hard for a child to fuck up

Thats not an option for a person thats already pregnant

You act like he didn't say that there were ways to prevent it
Pregnancy is not inevitable
And abortion IS an option
if they want to keep the fetus then it is their own stupid fault and the whole situation could have been prevented in the first place

Oh abortion is an option
its just murder, thats all

IYO

Killing a human is murder, simple as that
I wouldn't give a damn if it was 5
but we are talking about a fetus. It knows nothing about anything outside of the womb, and cannot support itself outside of the womb until the third trimester and third trimester abortions are illegal
I really don't give a shit if you think it is murder
but the option is there
and if someone is stupid enough to have sex before they are ready for a child and wont get an abortion they have no one but themselves to blame

Fetus = human
killing human = murder
killing fetus = murder

fetus= potential human that can't support itself
in my eyes its no better than a person in a vegetative state
its completely useless
It can't feel pain and it cant do anything for itself and relies on someone else for its body to function
its less than human
its a worthless shit until it can do something for itself

WHOA dude, REWIND a second.
Research suggests that a fetus CAN feel pain, once it gets to a certain point, and research ALSO suggests that this point can be before the third trimester.
If you really believe that it can't feel, I encourage you to watch "The Silent Scream" on youtube. Specifically part III. Its outdated, yes, but its a shocking video, and the procedures are still the same.
It is also suggested that a pre-mature baby CAN survive earlier than the third trimester under the right circumstances. And although this is rare, it HAS occurred.

I've seen the video
They don't feel pain until the third trimester

How can you say that?
WATCH the video again. The ENTIRE thing. Watch it squirm, you can SEE it screaming. You really think there's no way it's hurting them?
Being in the third trimester isn't a pass to feeling pain.

I've seen the video. I really don't give a damn if it feels pain really. It can't support itself and its useless. It knows nothing about anything outside of the womb.
If someone cares so much about the thing feeling pain they can go in and snap the neck first. I've read that the fetus will not feel pain until the third trimester but my source could be wrong. But I don't care. Its a fetus about to be removed it won't remember anything anyway.

Your sources are most certainly wrong. And as Chiefette said, some COULD survive outside the womb. And again, you didn't read my post. Its a lot more of a rarity, but a baby CAN survive as young as 20 weeks. Its rare, yes, but it's happened.
Who cares if they know nothing outside the womb. You didn't either before you were born. Does that mean it's ok to abort you?
And really... come on now... SO WHAT if it won't remember anything. That doesn't mean they can't feel pain while it's happening!
whats her face is not in this argument
I'm not reading her posts
I stopped reading her posts a while ago
now back to this discussion
And yes I would say it would have been fine to have been aborted
I wouldn't know the difference
Its completely worthless and knows nothing and can do nothing. People expect someone who doesn't want a fetus growing inside her to just keep it because maybe one day it could be something and that its alive.
Well I say its completely useless, its no better than a vegetable, and until it can do something for itself I really don't give a shit what happens to it.
You disagree
You're proabbly pro choice
don't try to sway me to your side
abortion is an option for everyone
whether they agree with it or not doesn't matter
its an option
and the teens who don't do it and have to deal with consequences have only themselves to blame
this argument has little to do with the op
I hate getting off track
stop picking fights everywhere you go

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just don't like when people only want to see their own point of view, and insist on belittling my point.
Yes, I am pro-choice. What's your point? Clearly, you are too, just for different reasons.

oops I meant to put pro life
but whatever
bleh
you don't know all of my reasons
not that it matters
and theres no reason for me to hear the same point of view for the 1000th time
it gets boring
"killing babies is bad"
"It hurtz de babehs"
blah blah blah
and not giving a shit about how a fetus feels makes me care even less
I've heard that pro life point of view enough

As was said... I'm pro-choice. I think nobody else has the right to tell a woman what to do with her own body.

However, I was trying to make a point that they CAN and DO feel pain.

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Your acting like they can turn off being pregnant like a light switch, but just choose not too

abortion

murder

not to everyone

To the ones that consider it murder, it isnt like a light switch

Thats when you decide not to be a dumbass and not have sex until you are in a situation that would not be shitty for them or the child
A situation that would be hard for a child to fuck up

Thats not an option for a person thats already pregnant

You act like he didn't say that there were ways to prevent it
Pregnancy is not inevitable
And abortion IS an option
if they want to keep the fetus then it is their own stupid fault and the whole situation could have been prevented in the first place

Oh abortion is an option
its just murder, thats all

IYO

Killing a human is murder, simple as that
I wouldn't give a damn if it was 5
but we are talking about a fetus. It knows nothing about anything outside of the womb, and cannot support itself outside of the womb until the third trimester and third trimester abortions are illegal
I really don't give a shit if you think it is murder
but the option is there
and if someone is stupid enough to have sex before they are ready for a child and wont get an abortion they have no one but themselves to blame

Fetus = human
killing human = murder
killing fetus = murder

fetus= potential human that can't support itself
in my eyes its no better than a person in a vegetative state
its completely useless
It can't feel pain and it cant do anything for itself and relies on someone else for its body to function
its less than human
its a worthless shit until it can do something for itself

WHOA dude, REWIND a second.
Research suggests that a fetus CAN feel pain, once it gets to a certain point, and research ALSO suggests that this point can be before the third trimester.
If you really believe that it can't feel, I encourage you to watch "The Silent Scream" on youtube. Specifically part III. Its outdated, yes, but its a shocking video, and the procedures are still the same.
It is also suggested that a pre-mature baby CAN survive earlier than the third trimester under the right circumstances. And although this is rare, it HAS occurred.

I've seen the video
They don't feel pain until the third trimester

How can you say that?
WATCH the video again. The ENTIRE thing. Watch it squirm, you can SEE it screaming. You really think there's no way it's hurting them?
Being in the third trimester isn't a pass to feeling pain.

I've seen the video. I really don't give a damn if it feels pain really. It can't support itself and its useless. It knows nothing about anything outside of the womb.
If someone cares so much about the thing feeling pain they can go in and snap the neck first. I've read that the fetus will not feel pain until the third trimester but my source could be wrong. But I don't care. Its a fetus about to be removed it won't remember anything anyway.

Your sources are most certainly wrong. And as Chiefette said, some COULD survive outside the womb. And again, you didn't read my post. Its a lot more of a rarity, but a baby CAN survive as young as 20 weeks. Its rare, yes, but it's happened.
Who cares if they know nothing outside the womb. You didn't either before you were born. Does that mean it's ok to abort you?
And really... come on now... SO WHAT if it won't remember anything. That doesn't mean they can't feel pain while it's happening!
whats her face is not in this argument
I'm not reading her posts
I stopped reading her posts a while ago
now back to this discussion
And yes I would say it would have been fine to have been aborted
I wouldn't know the difference
Its completely worthless and knows nothing and can do nothing. People expect someone who doesn't want a fetus growing inside her to just keep it because maybe one day it could be something and that its alive.
Well I say its completely useless, its no better than a vegetable, and until it can do something for itself I really don't give a shit what happens to it.
You disagree
You're proabbly pro choice
don't try to sway me to your side
abortion is an option for everyone
whether they agree with it or not doesn't matter
its an option
and the teens who don't do it and have to deal with consequences have only themselves to blame
this argument has little to do with the op
I hate getting off track
stop picking fights everywhere you go

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just don't like when people only want to see their own point of view, and insist on belittling my point.
Yes, I am pro-choice. What's your point? Clearly, you are too, just for different reasons.

oops I meant to put pro life
but whatever
bleh
you don't know all of my reasons
not that it matters
and theres no reason for me to hear the same point of view for the 1000th time
it gets boring
"killing babies is bad"
"It hurtz de babehs"
blah blah blah
and not giving a shit about how a fetus feels makes me care even less
I've heard that pro life point of view enough

As was said... I'm pro-choice. I think nobody else has the right to tell a woman what to do with her own body.
However, I was trying to make a point that they CAN and DO feel pain.

Oh well
I really don't give a shit
if someone cares that much they can have an abortion early on or see if they can get the neck snapped first

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