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Quote: from YellowAcid1 at 12:21 pm on July 10, 2009

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Yeah well in my opinion life's too fucking short, why the fuck would anyone want to end it even sooner? No offence, but cutters must be fucking stupid.  

 Every time I try to write some good no-cutting advice people just bite my head off, I'M NOT EVEN A PROFESSIONAL HELPER GODAMIT. I mean, people either listen to you or not, how would any stranger know exactly what they feel, eh?

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You're really fucking stupid, you know that. People don't cut because they WANT to die they cut because they're unable to ask for help or show their emotions like other people do. If they really wanted to kill themselves, they would have. So, please, take that bullshit claim somewhere else.

You're obviously not a professional helper, *I* didn't say you were, and please don't say that I did. I was simply wondering why it mattered if they did it on purpose or not, you're the one who blew this out of proportion. You don't know what ANY stranger is feeling exactly, but that's why you put yourself in their shoes and try to see the best solution out there.

That's the point of giving advice, you try your best to solve their problem, and they either listen to you or they don't. That's the risk with ANY advice you give, whether it be to a cutter or someone who is pregnant or to someone with boyfriend/girlfriend troubles.

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What the fucks wrong with you? How the fuck would I know why people cut if I've never done it before? To me it's bullshit, I've never heard of anything more senseless, seriously. I don't usually listen to cutters bullshit, that's why I don't know why the hell they would cut.
I didn't say you said I wasn't professional. I just wanted to sort of make that clear.
If we, SL's don't know how to answer the eHelp, we simply don't do it, we wait for another SL to do it, somebody who knows something about that particular problem.
For me, this eHelp had sort of a surprise box. I wasn't really expecting that person to have cut themselves on purpose.


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What the fucks wrong with you? How the fuck would I know why people cut if I've never done it before? To me it's bullshit, I've never heard of anything more senseless, seriously. I don't usually listen to cutters bullshit, that's why I don't know why the hell they would cut.
I didn't say you said I wasn't professional. I just wanted to sort of make that clear.
If we, SL's don't know how to answer the eHelp, we simply don't do it, we wait for another SL to do it, somebody who knows something about that particular problem.
For me, this eHelp had sort of a surprise box. I wasn't really expecting that person to have cut themselves on purpose.

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You're calling something stupid because you don't understand it.  THAT'S what is wrong with me.  Simply because you don't understand it doesn't make it a stupid concept.    

Just because you don't cut doesn't mean you can't assume what they are feeling.  I've given advice about relationships and pregnancy even though I've never been through either.  I've given advice about sexual abuse even though I have not been through it.  

It's not all about experience, it's about being able to sympathize with the OP, and if you're unable to do so, then just skip it.  

I've been a SL, I know how the system works, kthx.  

You also have to realize that telling someone to go to the hospital, when they clearly said they don't want to go, is going to result in some kind of negative feedback.  That's the same thing as telling someone who is pregnant to get an abortion or put it up for adoption, when they've stated that they do not want to do either.  

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Quote: from YellowAcid1 at 12:37 pm on July 10, 2009

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What the fucks wrong with you? How the fuck would I know why people cut if I've never done it before? To me it's bullshit, I've never heard of anything more senseless, seriously. I don't usually listen to cutters bullshit, that's why I don't know why the hell they would cut.  
 I didn't say you said I wasn't professional. I just wanted to sort of make that clear.  
 If we, SL's don't know how to answer the eHelp, we simply don't do it, we wait for another SL to do it, somebody who knows something about that particular problem.  
 For me, this eHelp had sort of a surprise box. I wasn't really expecting that person to have cut themselves on purpose.  
 

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You're calling something stupid because you don't understand it. THAT'S what is wrong with me. Simply because you don't understand it doesn't make it a stupid concept.

Just because you don't cut doesn't mean you can't assume what they are feeling. I've given advice about relationships and pregnancy even though I've never been through either. I've given advice about sexual abuse even though I have not been through it.

It's not all about experience, it's about being able to sympathize with the OP, and if you're unable to do so, then just skip it.

I've been a SL, I know how the system works, kthx.

You also have to realize that telling someone to go to the hospital, when they clearly said they don't want to go, is going to result in some kind of negative feedback. That's the same thing as telling someone who is pregnant to get an abortion or put it up for adoption, when they've stated that they do not want to do either.

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What's the point of assuming if you really don't know? That's fucking stupid. Yeah sure, you can guess, but if you really don't know, then you're not giving good advice. Sympathise? That's also stupid. Someone just lost their mum, for instance, and you sympathise and say "I'm so sorry about that, but that happens, you can't do anything about that" now, what would be better here, experience or "sympathising"? ANSWER ME TRUTHFULLY.

And, the eHelp didn't say they didn't want to go to the hospital, just that they were AFRAID of going there, and to me that's two very different things.

You have an opinion, and so do I, this is never going to end unless you admit that we are both wrong or right in one way, because that's how it's going to come out.

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What's the point of assuming if you really don't know? That's fucking stupid. Yeah sure, you can guess, but if you really don't know, then you're not giving good advice. Sympathise? That's also stupid. Someone just lost their mum, for instance, and you sympathise and say "I'm so sorry about that, but that happens, you can't do anything about that" now, what would be better here, experience or "sympathising"? ANSWER ME TRUTHFULLY.

And, the eHelp didn't say they didn't want to go to the hospital, just that they were AFRAID of going there, and to me that's two very different things.

You have an opinion, and so do I, this is never going to end unless you admit that we are both wrong or right in one way, because that's how it's going to come out.

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If someone lost their mother, I'm going to sympathize with them, yes.  I'm going to tell them that I'm sorry for their loss, and then I'm going to give them some helpful advice.  That's why it's called assuming or "putting yourself in someone else's shoes."  

Like I've said before, just because you don't know doesn't mean you can't give good advice.  My mother has never never had an STD or been a hooker or used needles and drugs, but she still gives advice and help to these people.  Obviously it's her job to do so, but YOU can still do the same and try to put yourself in their shoes.  If you can't, then just skip over it.  

Just because someone has experienced it doesn't mean they will give better advice.  I've experienced a lot of things that I'm unable to give people advice about, but I'm able to give people helpful advice on things I've never been through by putting myself in their shoes.  I'm not telling them what they want to hear, but I'm telling them who I believe IS the right thing.  Yes, it's not always right, and yes, the OP has disagreed with me from time to time, but the OP has also disagreed with me even if I've had experience in that field.  

If the person says they're afraid of going, that means they don't WANT to go.  Do you want to do things you're afraid of doing, whether or not you HAVE to do it?  

*I* was simply wondering why it mattered whether the person cut on purpose or not to begin with.  

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Rest in peace Christopher De La Cruz[-Bixler-Zavala-Rodriguez-Lopez]
March 25, 1992 - August 4, 2009