Sure, opinions can definitely change and vary when you're in a situation (like, I may feel differently about how I want to spend my money when I have a child when I actually HAVE a child), but to try to assume that I (and everyone else) is 100% ignorant simply because I haven't pushed a child through my womb is kind of daft, just as having a child doesn't mean that you suddenly gain all sorts of wisdom and information.

I always get a bit insulted when someone tries to claim that my opinion is somehow invalid because I have not gone through whatever it is my opinion is about.

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I don't really think it's fair to say "if you haven't gone through a teen pregnancy then you know nothing about it." There are quite a few things in my life that I've never gone through that I know a fair amount about. I'm sure there are also things in your life that you know about but have not experienced first hand.

Sure, opinions can definitely change and vary when you're in a situation (like, I may feel differently about how I want to spend my money when I have a child when I actually HAVE a child), but to try to assume that I (and everyone else) is 100% ignorant simply because I haven't pushed a child through my womb is kind of daft, just as having a child doesn't mean that you suddenly gain all sorts of wisdom and information.

I always get a bit insulted when someone tries to claim that my opinion is somehow invalid because I have not gone through whatever it is my opinion is about.

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You might know a bit about it but you don't know more than the people who have gone through it. No, as soon as you puch out your first child doesn't endow you with all sorts of wisdom but after spending 2 years with my child I think i've learned quite a bit. And I know I know how much things cost. It's not as expensive as everyone makes it out to be. And everyone puts alot more responsibility on teen parents then college students per se. Why is it ok for a 25 year old college student to live with their parents who are paying for them to go to college free of charge while it's not ok for a 17 or 18 year old parent to take a year or so with their parents to earn some money, finish high school, or even start college to ensure a better life for their child?

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Quote: from JennyColada at 8:05 am on July 11, 2009

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I don't really think it's fair to say "if you haven't gone through a teen pregnancy then you know nothing about it." There are quite a few things in my life that I've never gone through that I know a fair amount about. I'm sure there are also things in your life that you know about but have not experienced first hand.  

 Sure, opinions can definitely change and vary when you're in a situation (like, I may feel differently about how I want to spend my money when I have a child when I actually HAVE a child), but to try to assume that I (and everyone else) is 100% ignorant simply because I haven't pushed a child through my womb is kind of daft, just as having a child doesn't mean that you suddenly gain all sorts of wisdom and information.  

 I always get a bit insulted when someone tries to claim that my opinion is somehow invalid because I have not gone through whatever it is my opinion is about.

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You might know a bit about it but you don't know more than the people who have gone through it. No, as soon as you puch out your first child doesn't endow you with all sorts of wisdom but after spending 2 years with my child I think i've learned quite a bit. And I know I know how much things cost. It's not as expensive as everyone makes it out to be. And everyone puts alot more responsibility on teen parents then college students per se. Why is it ok for a 25 year old college student to live with their parents who are paying for them to go to college free of charge while it's not ok for a 17 or 18 year old parent to take a year or so with their parents to earn some money, finish high school, or even start college to ensure a better life for their child?

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Well look at it this way. I really don't feel the need to go to college. However my parents feel it is required and it a expense they CHOOSE to bare. If they are going to require it why shouldn't they pay for it?

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I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely.

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I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/

I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely.

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It's one of those experiences you have to have to understand though. I'm not saying you can't know anything about it but you wont be able to relate until you actually go through it. As bad as this is going to sound it's like being raped. No one can know what you're going through except others who have been through the same thing. The difference is that rape is a negative experience whereas parenting is a positive one. You could be knowledgeable about rape but until you've gone through it you don't really know exactly what you're talking about.

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I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/

I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely.

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Its not mooching if they are force you to go. And just cause we don't have a child our selves doesn't mean we don't know stuff. Some of us might have little brothers and sisters and things like that. Like where I live, there's a family here with 6 small children. Thats a lot to handle, but we, together as a community do our best to pitch in and help out you know?

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Quote: from JennyColada at 7:03 am on July 12, 2009

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I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/  

 I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely.

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Its not mooching if they are force you to go. And just cause we don't have a child our selves doesn't mean we don't know stuff. Some of us might have little brothers and sisters and things like that. Like where I live, there's a family here with 6 small children. Thats a lot to handle, but we, together as a community do our best to pitch in and help out you know?

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Help out with 6 small children=/=Parent

Yeah, I'm sure you "know stuff" but you don't know as much as a parent does. I'm in the same boat as you. I'm not a parent yet, but soon to be. Your arrogance is astounding if you really think that beings that you helped out with six kids you know more than a parent. I raised ALL my mothers children, but am I a parent? No.

Gaining knowledge through experience is the most accurate way to gain knowledge.

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Quote: from musicfan3 at 1:18 pm on July 12, 2009

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Quote: from JennyColada at 7:03 am on July 12, 2009

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I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/

  I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely.

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 Its not mooching if they are force you to go. And just cause we don't have a child our selves doesn't mean we don't know stuff. Some of us might have little brothers and sisters and things like that. Like where I live, there's a family here with 6 small children. Thats a lot to handle, but we, together as a community do our best to pitch in and help out you know?

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Help out with 6 small children=/=Parent

Your arrogance is astounding if you really think that beings that you helped out with six kids you know more than a parent.

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You don't make any sense. I never called myself a parent  but just cause I don't have a kid doesn't mean I don't know anything. But I do have lots of experience with kids since I volunteer and babysit and care for them a lot. Sometimes the parents just want a break and they might go out to dinner and leave me in charge for a while. I've even taken care of them while the parents was away on their 2nd honeymoon.

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Quote: from musicfan3 at 1:18 pm on July 12, 2009

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Quote: from JennyColada at 7:03 am on July 12, 2009

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I don't think that it's necessarily ok for a 25 year old college student to be mooching off of their parents. :/    

  I'm also not trying to claim that raising a child won't teach you many things, I'm sure that it does, but I find it more than a bit insulting that you're trying to claim that we are so ignorant for not having a child. I mean, don't get me wrong, musicfan doesn't really seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but it's frustrating when people seem to put me down involuntarily due to the opinions of others. If you want to say that musicfan doesn't know what she's talking about then that's one thing, but to try to claim that all childless people don't know what they're talking about is another entirely.

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  Its not mooching if they are force you to go. And just cause we don't have a child our selves doesn't mean we don't know stuff. Some of us might have little brothers and sisters and things like that. Like where I live, there's a family here with 6 small children. Thats a lot to handle, but we, together as a community do our best to pitch in and help out you know?

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 Help out with 6 small children=/=Parent  

 Your arrogance is astounding if you really think that beings that you helped out with six kids you know more than a parent.  

 

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You don't make any sense. I never called myself a parent but just cause I don't have a kid doesn't mean I don't know anything. But I do have lots of experience with kids since I volunteer and babysit and care for them a lot. Sometimes the parents just want a break and they might go out to dinner and leave me in charge for a while. I've even taken care of them while the parents was away on their 2nd honeymoon.

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Your completely missing the point.
I never called you a parent either, I was simply comparing the two. You do not know the expenses of raising a child if you are not a parent and have not experienced it first hand.  

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I love my life as a mommy and a wife.

Do you financially provide for either of them?  No.

Did you have to go out at 10 or 11:30 at night for 'diaper runs? No, everything is provided for you in the house/apartment.

Did you have to work to pay for those items? No, the parents did.

Did you have to go to their Doctors appointments with them? Maybe one or two but pretty much not at all.

Did you gestate and birth them? No.

Fine, you don't know nothing, but you barely know anything either way.

Most of my friends had younger siblings, yet around my son they had no idea how to hold him or mix a bottle or what the hell to do for anything.

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