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Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:48 pm on July 2, 2009

Quote: from Event Horizon at 7:26 pm on July 2, 2009
Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:00 pm on July 2, 2009
What does "lay-man" have to do with anything? And "considered" intelligent? Not quite the same thing as "being" intelligent. Your concept of intelligence is way too broad.

Well, since you seem to be invoking only the magnificent specimens of intelligent people to define intelligence, I figured that I must contrast that with the appropriate label: layman.

What, exactly, does "being" intelligent entail? Must one discover nuclear physics? Or can a person simply employ a certain amount of knowledge of a certain subject?
Indeed, I'd say there are many types of intelligences.
I'm not sure what you're reading into what I'm saying, but I've not said anything about any "magnificent" specimens.
"Being" intelligent would include the ability to observe and learn and to use what has been learned in a constructive manner. Education does not make a person intelligent. Almost anyone can be educated. It's how one uses an education that would indicate intelligence or the lack of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by "many types of intelligences".

I agree with you on the issue on your indicator of intelligence; in that one's intelligence is not based on education, anyone can be educated, but rather what one does with their education, and how one uses it to their advantage, is an adequate measure of intelligence.

I'll expound on this subject by I believe current evidence suggests and has always suggested that an innate intellectual superiority is ingrained more in humans than in dogs and cats and other lesser animals. But, when you said that dogs do not become "smarter" after training, I disagree.

If even the least bit negligible, if dogs with training as opposed to dogs without training did better on a cognitive quiz (problem solving; ball in hoop, etc), than that dog would thereby be more intelligent. I think what one must take into account when trying animals for intelligence is that the benchmark, presumably, for animal intelligence is much less pronounced and much less noticeable due to the nature and intellectual potential of the beast itself. We do not have adequate gauges for which to measure dog intelligence, but if we were to build a course on what some dogs can intellectually do and what some dogs cannot (based on a human model; on what some humans can do and some humans cannot), then I think we would find difference and that we could come to a conclusion.

Dogs cannot be geniuses no matter how you look at it, but if they show consistent increased cognitive ability in comparison to their lesser trained peers (the training may not even be intellectual but it would involve memory, etc), then it can be said that one dog is smarter than another, and that perhaps education does make a difference; which it certainly does at least when it comes to related academic performance.

Post edited at 6:27 am on July 16, 2009 by Takinam

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