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Quote: from Forever Angel at 11:11 pm on July 1, 2009

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I have no idea why you keep wanting to inject the Holocaust into this discussion.

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Holocaust deniers and creationists use the same tactics.    
I am neither, and I think there is a logical fallacy in that statement.

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And you can rationalize all you want, you're still wrong.

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I have conclusively proven my position and refuted yours. That statement above is just your way of trying to rationalize the faliure of your own worldview. When the enormous flaws in your worldview is pointed out to you, to just put your fingers in your ear, run around and shout la-la-la-la-la I can't hear you.  
You would be the one with his fingers in his ears and blinders on his eyes.

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I never even intimated that evolution was false. I never said anything about creationism or the failure of science.

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You where trying to undermine the evidence from paleontology supporting evolution by citing a forgery that was pretty already inconsistent with other, more credible findings at the same time.  
Learn to read.

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And I hope you do conclude that I have "an ideological creationist agenda".

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No one but creationists cite the Piltdown man in their attempts to undermine the evolutionary sciences.  
Another logical fallacy?

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In fact, I hope you gather billions and billions of bits of data backing your conclusion. And then put your scientific method to work proving it. Then I can really laugh at you.

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Yes, all of your posts on livewire represents this data backing my conclusion. I do concede that you have at best an elementary understanding of evolution, but I still think you're a stealthy creationist at heart.

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Post edited at 7:09 am on July 4, 2009 by Forever Angel

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"God does play dice" - Stephen Hawking

Bohica

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I don't think you can find even one that shows I'm against the idea of evolution or for the idea of creationism as you define it. But you are more than welcome to try. In fact I insist.

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Quote: from Moridin at 9:02 pm on July 1, 2009

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 11:11 pm on July 1, 2009

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I have no idea why you keep wanting to inject the Holocaust into this discussion.

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 Holocaust deniers and creationists use the same tactics.    
I am neither, and I think there is a logical fallacy in that statement.

 

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And you can rationalize all you want, you're still wrong.

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 I have conclusively proven my position and refuted yours. That statement above is just your way of trying to rationalize the faliure of your own worldview. When the enormous flaws in your worldview is pointed out to you, to just put your fingers in your ear, run around and shout la-la-la-la-la I can't hear you.  
You would be the one with his fingers in his ears and blinders on his eyes.

 

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I never even intimated that evolution was false. I never said anything about creationism or the failure of science.

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 You where trying to undermine the evidence from paleontology supporting evolution by citing a forgery that was pretty already inconsistent with other, more credible findings at the same time.  
Learn to read.

 

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And I hope you do conclude that I have "an ideological creationist agenda".

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 No one but creationists cite the Piltdown man in their attempts to undermine the evolutionary sciences.  
Another logical fallacy?

 

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In fact, I hope you gather billions and billions of bits of data backing your conclusion. And then put your scientific method to work proving it. Then I can really laugh at you.

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 Yes, all of your posts on livewire represents this data backing my conclusion. I do concede that you have at best an elementary understanding of evolution, but I still think you're a stealthy creationist at heart.

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ALL my posts on LiveWire... hmmm. All 12,000+ of them, huh? I don't think you can find even one that shows I'm against the idea of evolution or for the idea of creationism as you define it. But you are more than welcome to try. In fact I insist.

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Why argue in favor of the distorted Piltdown man story creationists love to use if you are not yourself a creationist? Most of your posts in these topic could be written by self-confessed creationists.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:33 pm on July 1, 2009

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I don't think you can find even one that shows I'm against the idea of evolution or for the idea of creationism as you define it. But you are more than welcome to try. In fact I insist.

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How do you believe in creationism as you define it?

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Quote: from Charolastra at 4:35 am on July 2, 2009

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:33 pm on July 1, 2009

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I don't think you can find even one that shows I'm against the idea of evolution or for the idea of creationism as you define it. But you are more than welcome to try. In fact I insist.

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How do you believe in creationism as you define it?

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I believe in God. I believe He is why there is what there is. I am perfectly fine with the way science has explained how things are the way they are.

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But what if there is no significant difference between "why" and "how is it that" questions? Then surely your perspective would run into some terminal difficulties.

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"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the
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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:33 am on July 2, 2009

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ALL my posts on LiveWire... hmmm. All 23,000+ of them, huh? I don't think you can find even one that shows I'm against the idea of evolution or for the idea of creationism as you define it. But you are more than welcome to try. In fact I insist.

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Why argue in favor of the distorted Piltdown man story creationists love to use if you are not yourself a creationist? Most of your posts in these topic could be written by self-confessed creationists.

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And now you back off the "all my posts" claim and it's only "most of my post in this topic"? Which ones?

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"God does play dice" - Stephen Hawking

Bohica

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You guys need to learn to handle dorothy differently. Logic doesn't work with people that live in Kansas, only incest.

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Quote: from I never forget at 7:09 pm on July 2, 2009

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You guys need to learn to handle dorothy differently. Logic doesn't work with people that live in Kansas, only incest.

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I suppose you just popped in to try to insult me. Crawl back under your rock, please.

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well get that damned lion out from under my rock.

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Quote: from Moridin at 8:26 am on July 2, 2009

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:33 am on July 2, 2009

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ALL my posts on LiveWire... hmmm. All 23,000+ of them, huh? I don't think you can find even one that shows I'm against the idea of evolution or for the idea of creationism as you define it. But you are more than welcome to try. In fact I insist.

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 Why argue in favor of the distorted Piltdown man story creationists love to use if you are not yourself a creationist? Most of your posts in these topic could be written by self-confessed creationists.

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You still need to learn to read. I wasn't arguing in favor of the "Piltdown man". Are you that illiterate?  

And now you back off the "all my posts" claim and it's only "most of my post in this topic"? Which ones?

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You are avoiding the fact that you are arguing pretty much the same thing as creationists do.

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"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the
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Quote: from Forever Angel at 6:41 pm on July 2, 2009

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Quote: from Moridin at 8:26 am on July 2, 2009

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:33 am on July 2, 2009

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ALL my posts on LiveWire... hmmm. All 23,000+ of them, huh? I don't think you can find even one that shows I'm against the idea of evolution or for the idea of creationism as you define it. But you are more than welcome to try. In fact I insist.

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  Why argue in favor of the distorted Piltdown man story creationists love to use if you are not yourself a creationist? Most of your posts in these topic could be written by self-confessed creationists.

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You still need to learn to read. I wasn't arguing in favor of the "Piltdown man". Are you that illiterate?

 And now you back off the "all my posts" claim and it's only "most of my post in this topic"? Which ones?

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You are avoiding the fact that you are arguing pretty much the same thing as creationists do.

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http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/1124piltdown.asp <--- almost exact same rhetoric as you

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