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for those of you who know english, plus another language
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i'm not sure how many other languages do this, but my suspicion is many.

what i don't understand is why, in english, the words for car door and house door are the same.  the same goes for windows.  a window is a window.  a door is a door.

go to french, for example, and there are at least two different words for window and door depending on the kind

car door: portier
house door: porte

car window: vitre
house window: fenêtre

they aren't the same thing at all.  they serve the same purpose, so in essence, i suppose they are very similar, but they look nothing a like, and function differently.

it would only make sense, to me, that there would be two different words-- at least.

anyone ever noticed this?

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Huh?

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I've never really thought about it.

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Yeah. i know a lot of languages. and they're so diffrent

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I've noticed that. I got in an argument with a preacher about lust. He said it's still love... and he was going on about different greek words for love and how each one was different...

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Because the tenses are different. we have the most simple languagen, but I could rip the americans to shreads now.
In English why do americans call colour, color, or mum mom.

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English just tends to keep the distinction from basic purpose in separate words. It's more logical if you ask me.

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Actually, if you think about it, English just does it differently.

If you're at the mall with your friends and you say "I spent all morning cleaning my windows" they don't know whether that is the window of your home or of your car. So you say "I spent all morning cleaning my car windows." (or, if it was your house, you'd probably just say 'windows').

The only time you generally say windows is if you're IN the car, you say "Roll down the window" or "clean that window, i can't see shit."

So, english just uses a two word combination to specify for car windows. I agree that English is more efficient because 50% of the time you just say Window... but both work.

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Quote: from fizzle123 at 12:14 pm on July 6, 2009

Because the tenses are different. we have the most simple languagen, but I could rip the americans to shreads now.
In English why do americans call colour, color, or mum mom.

those are differences in spelling, dear.  the words "vitre" and "fenêtre" mean two different things.

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Well you just say the house window, or the car window.
English is sort of a dumb medley of a lot of languages.

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Quote: from 4est at 12:16 pm on July 6, 2009

Actually, if you think about it, English just does it differently.  

If you're at the mall with your friends and you say "I spent all morning cleaning my windows" they don't know whether that is the window of your home or of your car. So you say "I spent all morning cleaning my car windows." (or, if it was your house, you'd probably just say 'windows').  

The only time you generally say windows is if you're IN the car, you say "Roll down the window" or "clean that window, i can't see shit."

So, english just uses a two word combination to specify for car windows. I agree that English is more efficient because 50% of the time you just say Window... but both work.


but they are two different things.  this is my point.

why would you want to have to clarify?  english isn't doing it in a different way.  it's not really doing it at all.  

i just think that having two separate words makes it so you don't have to clarify at all, meaning more efficient.

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In Hungarian door is ajtó, and window is ablak, we make no distinction between car doors or house doors, other than actually specifying it beforehand like in English. In that sense it's similar.

However English has plenty of nuances and irregularities that don't make 'sense'.

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Every other language is just complicated compared to English.

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Because in English, the way of telling different objects, like Car Door, or House door is by using the words before it. In French, the prefix Port, is what makes you know that it's a door, then the suffixes, ier, and e let you know what the door is for. If this helps, it's just a different arrangement of the words.

Post edited at 9:21 am on July 6, 2009 by Catalyst11

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Quote: from Live Just To Die at 12:14 pm on July 6, 2009

I've noticed that. I got in an argument with a preacher about lust. He said it's still love... and he was going on about different greek words for love and how each one was different...

exactly like this.  they're two different things, so why use the same word?  there are plenty of other things like this in french, and the verbs for to love are like that too.  

i feel like it makes the language deeper in some instances.  english can be so superficial.

the fact is, although there are word differences like this in french, and other romance languages, that differentiate between two somewhat similar things, english has 988,968 words.  french? roughly 35,000.  i can't see how english can be more "efficient."

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