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Why Bother Drinking (Intellectual Forum)
Replies: 46Last Post Oct. 25 8:37pm by fezzy
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And I suppose you're a neurologist? To be honest, I really don't care if you are. I've spoken to a neurologist, like one with a bona fide degree, and there doesn't seem to be any real prerequisite other than memorizing theories and diagnostics. What you're failing to see here is that alcohol is not the problem. The problem is the person. Someone who is going to go somewhere, knowing that they will have to leave that place, yet still consumes enough alcohol to reach a point of inebriation such as that is, for lack of better terms, a fucking moron, anyway. It's not about cognitive "brakes" (I'm assuming that's the function you meant). I am not denying that alcohol, upon irresponsible use will cause a person to not realize that they shouldn't drive. But the alcohol doesn't force anyone into the car. Just like it doesn't force itself down the throat of the drinker to begin with. The person, although impaired, makes a conscious decision to drive away. Somewhere in their brain they have reasoned before-hand that getting a definite buzz and driving away, potentially endangering someone's life bears little repercussion to passing out on a near-by bench or asking/calling someone to pick them up, and looking like a jack-ass.

Now, since you don't seem to comprehend the concept of responsible alcohol use, let me dumb it down it for you, starting with this quote:



About.com: In all 50 states, the legal limit for drunk driving is a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) level of .08. A 120-pound woman can reach a .08 BAC level after only two drinks and a 180-pound man can be at .08 after only four drinks.

A "drink" is either one shot of liquor, a five-ounce glass of wine or one beer, all of which contain the same amount of alcohol.


Right. So, by common deduction, I would figure that for a 180-pound man who wished to drink somewhere but knew he had to drive home, 2 beers would be responsible. For a 120-pound woman, 1 drink. Do you see the logic here? Alcohol is an inert substance. It isn't some liquid's fault that you aren't responsible enough to know your own body's limits. I'm about 175, and two beers after a hard days work [perhaps you know of that, with your alleged scientific degree] puts me in a good mood. Not drunk. But buzzing enough to realize that by chance I wanted to drive anywhere soon, now is the time to stop drinking.

You clearly have no knowledge of self-control.

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Quote: from Moridin at 7:14 pm on July 1, 2009

There is no such thing as a responsible or moderate intake of alcohol, because it is highly additive. Arguing that there are is just as insane as arguing that it is possible to be responsible in your drug abuse of pure heroin. Completely out of the question.

Man, I completely forgot to address this post. You're confounding me with this ignorance. Alcohol is not highly addictive. There is nothing in alcohol that causes physical dependence. It is entirely psychological. Succumbing to psychological dependence is likely an indication of a weak or impaired mentality. That said, would you give a legally retarded person alcohol, knowing they - the person, not the alcohol - would be much less likely than an average person to make rational decisions under its influence? No. Same concept, different scale.

And while I hate to break it to you, you called it out with that second statement.  

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Well as a drinker myself, I am pro drinking.

Drinking, is something my best friend and I do at every chance we get. Presently between the two of us since the start of June we've spend $3000.00+ USD on it a lone. The majority of it we drank to ourselves.

Do I regret it? No, I don't. Could I have put the money to a "better" use. By most people's opinions, yes.

Did I get in any trouble in that time? Not legally. We got kicked out of 2 different parties 4th of July for fighting however. It was pretty funny to be honest. I've met plenty of girls, and gotten their numbers, so it's been looking pretty good actually. I also got a girlfriend while drunk.

Have I gotten a hangover at all? Not recently, I thought I was hungover, but it went away after I had a major bowel movement. Too much taco bell, Is what I have to say about that.

If anything to only time we got close to any trouble was when we were sober, and were asked to leave 3 stores for hitting on every female employee.

I've been meeting a lot of people, enjoying safe sex, parties, food, and been bonding with my best friend. I can't find anything bad that's happened.

It's not for everyone, but I do recommend at least trying it once.


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ok you have obviously put thought into this however if u haven't actually tried it before you shouldn't be making claims like that.

I have been pretty drunk numerous time and I have never had a hangover, cleaning up is only a problem if u host the party.

Keeping it short, I almost completely disagree with you. Simply u should not be so confident in what u say if u haven't tried it, I'm not sugesting you do but I have been drunk and therefore can see why people do it and by the comments u have made it's pretty obvious u haven't experienced this.


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Drinking lowers inhibitions, therefore if you get a group of people together who are all drinking they will be more likely to do things that they wouldn't typically do when sober. This includes dancing, singing, joking, certain levels of sexual promiscuity and courage to talk to members of the opposite sex. All members of the drinking group know that they are in an environment where most everyone is feeling they way that they do, so it removes embarrassment that would be felt in a sober situation.

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Quote: from Themakingofagod at 3:25 am on June 30, 2009

I understand it is a way of gathering with your peers and having fun, but are those people really that fun to hang around with if you need to be inebriated in order to have a good time?

If you NEED to be drunk around your friends in order to have a good time, that says everything about your friends and nothing about drinking.

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Quote: from Fauna at 3:45 pm on July 14, 2009

Quote: from Themakingofagod at 3:25 am on June 30, 2009

I understand it is a way of gathering with your peers and having fun, but are those people really that fun to hang around with if you need to be inebriated in order to have a good time?

If you NEED to be drunk around your friends in order to have a good time, that says everything about your friends and nothing about drinking.


Right.
With that said it's important, I think, to point out that there is a difference between needing to drink when you are around your friends, and wanting to drink with them.

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I drink because many times the drinks pair well with the meal or I enjoy the tradition of friends gathering around a good beer and talking of the news of the day the way social groups of men have discussed such things through the dawn of time.  It is a way to connect with the past in order to anchor oneself today.

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Quote: from dumb whore at 7:22 pm on June 30, 2009

The same reason people smoke marijuana or sniff coke. It feels good. What other reason do you need?
None, really. People just seem to have this idea that perfect health is the best way to go. Drinking can be enjoyable, like using other drugs. It's none of anyone else's business what I take into my body, and they aren't better than me for not drinking.

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Personally, i love drinking, i have the best of times around my friends sober, but things are so much easier when we drink. I don't do it alot, but when i do, they are some of the best and funniest times in the world. I know, the OP was talking about heavy drinking, which i don't condone at all, but it's just fun, drinking in moderation. I'm having a party tonight, and plan to get drunk, I also plan to have a brilliant time. Just aslong as it's in moderation, and you're not stupidly drunk to the point where you black out (all though, that is fun as well :P).

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A friend of mine won the Texas State Academic Competition while drunk off his ass. That is to say he was drunk as they tested, came in first place, and then proceeded to accept his award in front of everyone their completely slammed off his ass.

In fact he had liquor on him for the duration of the event.

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I don't care if you're anti-drinking, that's all well and good, but what I can't stand is people who shove their anti-drinking bullcrap down other people's throats.

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I drink, but I have never been drunk. I just happen to think that Champagne is the best thing in the world. I like to keep my drinking habits healthy.

Depressants don't necessarily cause depression-- they simply mean that one becomes more mellow. But it is important for a person to drink when she is happy, not when she is sad, because alcohol can intensify emotions.

Being tipsy tends to make people happy and relaxed, which is why people self-medicate with alcohol. It also helps some people who are otherwise nervous to mingle better with other people.

Some people are alcoholics and for those people, whenever alcohol is present, they will be compelled to drink. It's an addiction.

And you're assuming that the people who drink would have fun without alcohol over the course of two days. That's not always true. Some people need that specific kind of social situation in order to really enjoy themselves (And by the way, other kinds of parties without alcohol require cleaning up as well).

The relationship many American teenagers have with alcohol is far from healthy, but it isn't too tough to understand why they are drawn to it. I think part of the reason that relationship is so unhealthy is because of the demonization of alcohol. That's what leads to binge drinking and drinking to get drunk, rather than social drinking for the taste or just for a bit of a buzz. If parents felt comfortable serving their kids a glass of wine now and then, this "drunk culture" would be much smaller.

In my visit to Belgium this summer, I went to a friend's party. She served alcohol. Most people elected soda, and a few people had some of the alcohol. No one got drunk or even tipsy. That, to me, is a healthy relationship-- no obligation to drink, and drinking for the taste.

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Quote: from Themakingofagod at 7:46 pm on June 29, 2009

Quote: from matto at 10:34 pm on June 29, 2009

Drinking isn't always the same as having a huge ass party, overdrinking, and getting a hangover.  Just saying.  

 That being said, all the points you made are good ones to not drink.  

 That being said, it's a choice that everyone makes for themselves.  There is no right or wrong answer to anything like that, as what's right for you may not be right for everyone else.  

 It is very fun if done correctly, with the right people.  =D


I was referring to heavy drinking. Even if you drink heavily alone, you can still face a host of problems, but partying is by far the most common scene of it. moderate drinking is still okay, as long as you are still able to maintain sound judgment, but even then, I still personally don't agree with it. Then again, this isn't about person feelings.



I would argue that heavy drinking alone is far worse than heavy drinking in a group of friends. You can die of alcohol poisoning with no one to help you out, or drown in your own vomit, or make a dumb decision like going for a drive. If you're in a group, people are more likely to look out for each other and make sure no one gets in serious trouble. They'll bring you water if you're dehydrated or have had too much to drink. They'll stop you from driving or offer a ride if you're too far gone.

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I can understand not liking drinking for certain reasons but being open to reasonsas to why people WOULD drink is better

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