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WRX, M3, or GTO
Replies: 26Last Post July 4 12:41am by Neodymie
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Choice Votes Percent  
NEW Subbie WRX (sedan, not STI) 4dr, 2.5L(265hp/242tq, 4.7/13.6) 1 7%
Used BMW E46 M3 (coupe) 2dr, 3.2L(333hp/262tq, 4.8/13.4) 2 14%
Used LS2 Pontiac GTO ('05/'06) 2dr, 6.0L(400hp/400tq, 4.7/13.3) 11 78%
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I'm 19 years old, and looking to get a new car <$27.5k. I'm down to either a NEW subbie WRX(sedan), used E46 BMW M3, or used LS2 Pontiac GTO. Gas mileages(16-18 city, 21-25 hw), insurance (~1200/6 mos), 0-60, and 1/4 are all comparable...so it comes to intangibles. Everyone tells me to get the Subaru for practicality's sake (college), but the beemer looks SO damn sexy, and the GTO is a straight up beast and in limited production. Please don't bitch about how obvious the decision may seem to you, or why a 19 year old doesn't need a car like this - just give me your opinion with reasons why.

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GTO, it has Balls.

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Quote: from emo sux69 at 3:17 am on July 3, 2009

GTO, it has Balls.
BALLS TO THE WALL SON!

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GTO.

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Quote: from emo sux69 at 12:17 am on July 3, 2009

GTO, it has Balls.

course you'd say that, they're produced in australia! haha  


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I'm a bit of a GTO fan.

First I should say that the whole 0-60 and quarter mile times are not only very difficult to relate to normal driving. And it's entirely dependent on the driver.

Either way, I go with V8. A friend of mine once said that when Americans want to add power, they add cylinders / displacement. When most foreign companies (Japan mainly) want more, they add turbochargers or tweak the computer--something that modifies it a whole lot of physical hardware. All of this adds power, yes, but only additional pistons and connecting rods will ever add torque.

Hence, I say V8. And the GTO just sounds so beautiful.

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I've personally driven several WRX's, and several GTO's , both auto and manual, both ls1 and ls2.

Personally, the LS1 is a better deal. bigger aftermarket, cheaper insurance, better fuel economy, even if modded, etc.



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Quote: from 3800 FTW at 12:39 am on July 3, 2009

I've personally driven several WRX's, and several GTO's , both auto and manual, both ls1 and ls2.  

Personally, the LS1 is a better deal. bigger aftermarket, cheaper insurance, better fuel economy, even if modded, etc.  


i like the changes they made to the 6.0s...i'm not a fan of the 5.7s. i like the (fake) hoodscoops and dual exhaust. plus, IF i decide to go with a GTO, i'll have to find one that hasn't been thrashed into the ground, and i think i have a better chance of that with the later model year. didn't like the WRX? i test drove and fell in love with it. plus, i'm not sold on 6-speeds....yet


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FYI - The LS1 has dual exhaust.

The hoods can be found cheaper than you'd imagine, and for what it's worth, the LS2 will be more likely to have been beaten on due to more POWAR.

pic related..



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The WRX was nice but the fact that the transmissions can be likened to a piece of glass scares the shit out of me.

The only thing you need to worry about with a GTO is really wheelhop which happens when you're cuttin the ass end loose.. can be countered with one side's halfshaft being a little thicker. Aftermarket companies offer these thicker CV's.

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Quote: from 3800 FTW at 12:53 am on July 3, 2009

The WRX was nice but the fact that the transmissions can be likened to a piece of glass scares the shit out of me.  

The only thing you need to worry about with a GTO is really wheelhop which happens when you're cuttin the ass end loose.. can be countered with one side's halfshaft being a little thicker. Aftermarket companies offer these thicker CV's.


course a V8's got dual exhaust, but i visually like the split ends on each side. i think the 6.0s have a gto-marked diffuser too. i haven't heard of any problems with the subbie trannys...? i've hear of knocking issues though.


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It's a pretty well-known fact that the subaru transmissions are weak.

from experience with friends, the LS1 is cheaper to insure as well.. a bumper / cat back system from an 05/06 would save you money.

Then again, I'm an LS1 nutswinger.

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Quote: from 3800 FTW at 1:02 am on July 3, 2009

It's a pretty well-known fact that the subaru transmissions are weak.  

from experience with friends, the LS1 is cheaper to insure as well.. a bumper / cat back system from an 05/06 would save you money.

Then again, I'm an LS1 nutswinger.


haha it's all good. are parts easy enough to find? pontiac's dead, and they only made a few goats.


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They're a lot more plentiful than one would expect. .have you driven any of the cars?

If not, get out there.. you're in Cali so there's a lot of them out there.

Drive Automatic and Manual of both LS1/LS2. I liked the LS2 Manual most because of it having so much more power, but the LS1 is easier to work with / bigger gains to be had.

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Quote: from 3800 FTW at 1:09 am on July 3, 2009

They're a lot more plentiful than one would expect. .have you driven any of the cars?

If not, get out there.. you're in Cali so there's a lot of them out there.

Drive Automatic and Manual of both LS1/LS2. I liked the LS2 Manual most because of it having so much more power, but the LS1 is easier to work with / bigger gains to be had.


i've tested an '09 WRX, 2 E46 M3s both coupe and convertible, all manuals only. the closest thing to the GTO i've driven is a stick G8 GXP but it was a promo and i never really got to "drive" it haha. i'm not interested in an automatic.


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