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Is the purpose of the vast majority/conformity to create the proverbial chaff to separate the wheat from? Is the crowd evolution's tool to let the adaptors succeed?

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Is the crowd the evolutionary product, and the outsiders are actually the trimmings of nature's tree of life?

Is humanity going against it's nature, or complying with it on an advanced level?


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Well, i'd say the way humanity is, is it's nature. Nature has no intentions, despite it's constant tinkering. We are as we are, the crowd is how we are, but those who go against the crowd are not going against human nature; human nature is multifaceted--rebellious is how we are, too.

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 9:42 pm on June 4, 2009

Well, i'd say the way humanity is, is it's nature. Nature has no intentions, despite it's constant tinkering. We are as we are, the crowd is how we are, but those who go against the crowd are not going against human nature; human nature is multifaceted--rebellious is how we are, too.

So which is the correct observation? Is the majority or minority superior?

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Quote: from The Last Magister at 10:44 pm on June 4, 2009

Quote: from Event Horizon at 9:42 pm on June 4, 2009

Well, i'd say the way humanity is, is it's nature. Nature has no intentions, despite it's constant tinkering. We are as we are, the crowd is how we are, but those who go against the crowd are not going against human nature; human nature is multifaceted--rebellious is how we are, too.

So which is the correct observation? Is the majority or minority superior?

Superior? In what way, superior?

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Quote: from Event Horizon at 9:45 pm on June 4, 2009

Quote: from The Last Magister at 10:44 pm on June 4, 2009

Quote: from Event Horizon at 9:42 pm on June 4, 2009

Well, i'd say the way humanity is, is it's nature. Nature has no intentions, despite it's constant tinkering. We are as we are, the crowd is how we are, but those who go against the crowd are not going against human nature; human nature is multifaceted--rebellious is how we are, too.
 
 So which is the correct observation? Is the majority or minority superior?

Superior? In what way, superior?



From an evolutionary standpoint.

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I think it is merely a survival mechanism. If a large group of people have similar beliefs and respond in a certain way, they can come together in greater strengths than a multi-faceted belief system.

In terms of evolution, it is hard to say. Perhaps by going against the large group, it is the next step in a so called social evolution, and the group will will be phased out. Or, it could possibly be that it is a type of social mutation that occurs for either genetic or environmental factors.

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I'd say it's more likely that diversity of human nature is favoured by natural selection.

If everyone was very independent it would make cohesive society difficult, and if everyone was slavishly obedient to the status quo there would be little progress. A variety of personality types provides a balance.


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That's a pretty ambiguous question...
Does how we react socially reflect on our evolutionary development? Or on our social and cultural development as a species.

I'm not sure if we could call one "superior"; it is simply the way it is. Through the ages, the herd mentality has become ingrained in our minds--it may well have become a biological predisposition--but if it has, so too has going against the herd.

evolution does not work to eradicate things, or expand things, things simply become eradicated or expanded, evolution allows for this, it is the process by which such things happen.

Evolution is not "working" to get everyone into a herd, or instead, pushing us to be individuals. These things simply happen through the series of continually changing events that is the evolution of life. They happen, and they change, but there is no intent there, there is no "this is better than that"; the minority exists because the majority exists, neither is better than the other--speaking strictly from an evolutionary standpoint.

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The "crowd" or as I would put it the middle areas of the bell curve are the best adapted perhaps - but that doesn't mean that they are the "best".
This is a tricky and problematic part of the word evolution - people assume it must be teleological, that adaptation and natural selection move towards superiority, which is false.

Natural selection is natural selection. It does not necessarily equate to "better".
The outlying groups are both trimmings and new growths. They may be better or they may be worse.

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