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Abortion
Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
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Quote: from Teagan at 5:20 pm on Aug. 30, 2011

Quote: from harleyelizabeth at 4:39 pm on Aug. 30, 2011

I am pro choice in some circumstances. But I also think you should take responsiblilty for the choices you make! If you chose to have sex, then you need to take responsibility if you do end up pregnant! The child should not be affected by the mother && fathers stupidity! (such as teen girls who decide to go to a party and end up having a one night stand.) They cannot help the events that they cannot prevent.

 If  a woman/girl is raped, or if the fetus or mother is not going to make it, then abortion is more okay then it would be in other instances. The mother of the unborn child can develop a disease. The fetus could also be under too much stress in the womb to survive the whole 9 months. However, these cases only make up 2% of the cases in which a child is aborted.


So, basically, you believe it is okay to force a woman to carry a pregnancy as a punishment for being irresponsible? That's the way your statement reads.

And why just "teen girls" - why not any woman who "goes to a party and has a one night stand"? Teens (younger ones) are statistically almost twice as likely to die from a pregnancy related issue than an adult is. Why do you believe it is acceptable to force a teenager to endure a possibly life-ending pregnancy because she had a one night stand if not to punish her for her sluttish ways?


I never said anything about forcing anyone? && I use the word teen bcuz most 15/16 year olds wanna experiment && guys end up takin advantage of them.. Not saying that it is only the girls fault..

My only point is the child cannot help if its mom is a slut.

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Quote: from harleyelizabeth at 5:03 pm on Sep. 5, 2011

I never said anything about forcing anyone? && I use the word teen bcuz most 15/16 year olds wanna experiment && guys end up takin advantage of them.. Not saying that it is only the girls fault..  

My only point is the child cannot help if its mom is a slut.


You assume only 15/16 year olds are....sluts?  And you state the guys "take advantage" of the girls, but they're the sluts?  lol  Idiot.

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Quote: from WaterNymph at 9:37 pm on Oct. 19, 2005

I think the only time I'm against abortion is when someone is giving it up because they're not "financially stable" or they don't "want it". There's a lot of people who can't have kids and want them. But, if the pregnancy poses a health concern, or the women was raped, etc, then I'm all for it.

There are tons of kids already out there waiting to be adopted.

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Quote: from Kaijuu at 6:20 am on Sep. 6, 2011

Quote: from WaterNymph at 9:37 pm on Oct. 19, 2005

I think the only time I'm against abortion is when someone is giving it up because they're not "financially stable" or they don't "want it". There's a lot of people who can't have kids and want them. But, if the pregnancy poses a health concern, or the women was raped, etc, then I'm all for it.

There are tons of kids already out there waiting to be adopted.

There are tons of homeless people....

Just sayin'.

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As per me an abortion is a sin. This is very big mistake of human. No girl should be go for an abortion and also no one should force them to abortion. Just do one thing avoid sex before you are 16 or 18.

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Quote: from maxxypane at 6:41 am on Oct. 10, 2011

Just do one thing avoid sex before you are 16 or 18.

Why just those ages?  Women in other age groups get pregnant and have abortions as well.  In fact, the overwhelming majority of abortions occur in women ages 20-24.  So why tell those "16 to 18" to avoid sex and not other age groups?  

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I am totally against abortion. IT IS MURDER. you are murdering your child. I dont care if you were raped and u end up pregnant. it isnt ur fault so i would either keep the baby or give it up for adoption not kill it. If you want to murder a human being, a baby. be my guest. but you will have to live with that for the rest of your life, live with the fact that u murdered a human being. I stand my ground!

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Quote: from 1000hearts at 11:42 pm on Nov. 16, 2011

I am totally against abortion. IT IS MURDER. you are murdering your child. I dont care if you were raped and u end up pregnant. it isnt ur fault so i would either keep the baby or give it up for adoption not kill it. If you want to murder a human being, a baby. be my guest. but you will have to live with that for the rest of your life, live with the fact that u murdered a human being. I stand my ground!

So...you're ok with abortion then?

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Quote: from Teagan at 7:57 pm on Sep. 5, 2011

Quote: from harleyelizabeth at 5:03 pm on Sep. 5, 2011

I never said anything about forcing anyone? && I use the word teen bcuz most 15/16 year olds wanna experiment && guys end up takin advantage of them.. Not saying that it is only the girls fault..    

My only point is the child cannot help if its mom is a slut.


 

You assume only 15/16 year olds are....sluts?  And you state the guys "take advantage" of the girls, but they're the sluts?  lol  Idiot.


nvm, said it all in my next post...

Post edited at 1:36 pm on Dec. 20, 2011 by Oceanborn

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Quote: from harleyelizabeth at 4:03 pm on Sep. 5, 2011

Quote: from Teagan at 5:20 pm on Aug. 30, 2011

Quote: from harleyelizabeth at 4:39 pm on Aug. 30, 2011

I am pro choice in some circumstances. But I also think you should take responsiblilty for the choices you make! If you chose to have sex, then you need to take responsibility if you do end up pregnant! The child should not be affected by the mother && fathers stupidity! (such as teen girls who decide to go to a party and end up having a one night stand.) They cannot help the events that they cannot prevent.    

  If a woman/girl is raped, or if the fetus or mother is not going to make it, then abortion is more okay then it would be in other instances. The mother of the unborn child can develop a disease. The fetus could also be under too much stress in the womb to survive the whole 9 months. However, these cases only make up 2% of the cases in which a child is aborted.


 

 So, basically, you believe it is okay to force a woman to carry a pregnancy as a punishment for being irresponsible?  That's the way your statement reads.    

 And why just "teen girls" - why not any woman who "goes to a party and has a one night stand"?  Teens (younger ones) are statistically almost twice as likely to die from a pregnancy related issue than an adult is.  Why do you believe it is acceptable to force a teenager to endure a possibly life-ending pregnancy because she had a one night stand if not to punish her for her sluttish ways?


I never said anything about forcing anyone? && I use the word teen bcuz most 15/16 year olds wanna experiment && guys end up takin advantage of them.. Not saying that it is only the girls fault..  

My only point is the child cannot help if its mom is a slut.


You never said anything about forcing anyone, eh?

Are you really that incredibly idiotic? It IS basically what you're saying. That if the girl DARED to commit the atrocious sin of having sex for pleasure, she should be punished by getting pregnant and by being *forced* to have a baby she doesn't want...

because, you do realize that when you deny women abortions, it's basically the same as forcing them to have unwanted kids when they accidentally wind up pregnant, right?

Who the fuck are you to tell another woman how to use HER reproductive organs in such a way? How DARE you try to justify it as "making her take responsibility" when in reality, you have a perverse, sick need to punish women who like sex?

And also?
Anyone who sees a kid as a punishment for having sex, has no business examining other peoples' morals when their own morals are so obviously shot.

And another thing you said that is so completely off the mark, its pathetic, is...you think that if a guy takes advantage of a girl, SHE'S at fault and SHE'S the slut?

I'm sorry, but that's completely delusional. I'd hate to see what you say about rape victims...you do know what rape IS, don't you?

It's "The crime, committed by a man (or in some cases, a woman), of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him/her, esp. by threatening, coercion/blackmail, threat of violence or actual use of violence."

So riddle me this: if a girl goes to a party, and ends up getting raped by someone then winds up pregnant...is she the slut?

I think not...the whole reason rape is a CRIME is because it is against someone's will, it is a violation of the mind, body and spirit.

The rapist consciously went against her will, either by circumventing her consent (perhaps by drugging her or knocking her unconscious) or by overpowering her, or by giving her no other choice BUT to have intercourse with him (such as coercion, blackmail or threats).

Even the most daft idiot knows all this.

And I shudder to even think of what you might think about children who have been raped! Are they "sluts" too? Because if someone is raped, they SO obviously secretly wanted it! /read deep sarcasm here

What about babies who have been cruelly violated? Are they sluts?

What about my sister, who was only four years old when my biological father started raping and sexually abusing her until she turned sixteen? Is SHE a "slut?"

What about me? I was five when he started in on me...luckily, it didn't last long, but still...am I a fucking slut because my pedophile of a father took advantage of my youth and helplessness to rape me so brutally, that I only remember bits and pieces of it because it was so traumatic, and even the pieces I DO remember are enough to make me fucking sick to my stomach?

Does ANYONE deserve that?
DOES FUCKING ANYONE DESERVE TO BE CALLED A SLUT WHEN THEY SO OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT AT FAULT FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM?!

And then to add insult to injury, you have the AUDACITY to claim that a woman who was taken advantage of and got pregnant should not be allowed to have an abortion because she's "so obviously a dirty little slut who wanted it secretly!"

Fuck you, you sanctimonious little piece of human waste. How dare you?!

Do you have any idea, any fucking idea at all what rape victims go through? The grief, the betrayal, the shame, the fear, the feeling of being dirty, filthy, unworthy and disgusting...the feelings of helplessness, weakness, worthlessness and self loathing?

You don't know shit.

So do us all a favor and stop spewing bullshit out your ass!

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In your emotionally uncontrolled rant you seemed to have missed a few points in reading comprehension:

Quote: from harleyelizabeth at 3:39 pm on Aug. 30, 2011


If a woman/girl is raped, or if the fetus or mother is not going to make it, then abortion is more okay then it would be in other instances.


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Well this argument will surely be easily resolved. Anyway, here's my take on it: why don't both sides just shut up about the rights and wrongs of Abortion?

Instead, they could group together and try to distribute condoms, morning-after pills, and other contraceptives. They could try to input teaching of sexual education at the age most individuals choose to do it.

The abortion rates would drastically decline and then nobody would need to argue with each other.


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Quote: from AtheistMessiah at 1:13 am on Dec. 23, 2011

Well this argument will surely be easily resolved. Anyway, here's my take on it: why don't both sides just shut up about the rights and wrongs of Abortion?

Instead, they could group together and try to distribute condoms, morning-after pills, and other contraceptives. They could try to input teaching of sexual education at the age most individuals choose to do it.

The abortion rates would drastically decline and then nobody would need to argue with each other.


At least someone has a reasonable and non extreme view on it. Thank you for having a sensible outlook on it! Also, accidents happen so if help was more easily available then things wouldn't get out of hand.
Personally I find it quite hurtful when people say it is murder, they don't understand because they have never been in that situation, they wouldn't even begin to understand what it's like.


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I myself am pro-choice, and while I believe that I would not ever get an abortion myself, it is wrong to take the right to choose away from anybody. The rights of a fetus can't come before the rights of a human being.
The line is fuzzy, however, when it comes to late stage abortion. When a baby is able to survive on its own outside of the womb, abortion seems to me to be quite cruel. While I still do not believe that it should be illegal, I struggle with the morality of such a situation.

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Abortion is wrong on all levels, fronts, and facets.

The pro-choice or pro-abortion stance is, in fact, the slaveholders position. The slaveholders believed that African-Americans were not developed enough to be treated like human beings and therefore could be bought and sold like animals. This is homologous to the view that the babe in the womb is not developed enough to be treated like a human being, and therefore can be killed at the discretion of its mother.

The Declaration of Independence states quite lucidly and unequivocally, that we are NOT developed, but rather CREATED EQUAL AND ENDOWED WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.

If human-beings can decide who is human and who is not on some arbitrary rubric, the doctrine of aforementioned God given rights, which is the foundation of this republic, is utterly corrupted and subverted.


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