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Abortion
Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
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And the abortion system is fucked up and overcrowded as it is.
To force someone to give birth and have them put it up for adoption when you're not willing to take the kid yourself is just fucked up.
It gives the notion you just want the kid born, nothing else. Regardless of the quality of it's life. Which is unethical.

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Quote: from mikeyb at 5:30 am on April 22, 2009

All humans are equal, but one who infringes upon the rights of another is dealt with, this is the nature of the law
Which is why a fetus' rights doesn't overrule the mother's rights.

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Quote: from trendsetta at 9:33 pm on April 22, 2009

Quote: from mikeyb at 5:30 am on April 22, 2009


 All humans are equal, but one who infringes upon the rights of another is dealt with, this is the nature of the law

Which is why a fetus' rights doesn't overrule the mother's rights.

But that's where fetal rights stand, it's not harming the mother, unless it's killing them. But that depends on your definition of harm. But, that goes back to Mr Impasse. So meh.

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That's like saying a fetus that's harming it's mother is less valuable than the mother.
Hypocritical.

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Firstly, I'm against it, as it is not the fault of the fetus; but no way will they make it illegal for an abortion in life threatening circumstances. Heck, I'd have a baby which might kill me, but the Good Lord was kind enough to make me a male.

Anyway, it is equal to how a criminal who tried to kill you does not have the same rights as you. He is thrown into a prison, and has the majority of his rights stripped away. If you do not agree, more reason to ban abortions all together.

Also, it is not hypocritical, I am not saying something is bad and then doing it. Don't pull an ad hominem.

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See that goes back to my thing, either you have abortions or you don't.
Every pro lifer I came in contact with shares the same story.

The only reason his rights are stripped is because he's in jail. It's still illegal to murder someone in jail.

And it is hypocritical. You're saying abortion is bad and that it should be banned, yet you give exceptions as if the fetus is somehow now worth less.
That is hypocritical.


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That's like me saying pro choicers either accept abortion, or they do not. Yet I hear how they do not, but know that women have the right to off the fetus. So, I have come to accept the fact that it isn't as either as "being for it, or against it." Unless you would like to prove them wrong.

I believe the fetus has the same rights as a human being.

When one human being's rights is infringing upon another, they are dealt with, correct? Well, why is a fetus an exception? The whole point of being pro life is allowing an unborn baby to have the same rights as any other human. When one human is infringing on the rights of another, he is dealt with, as stated. Simple concept.

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It is like that. We accept abortion as a legal right and a choice. That's the basic stance of the pro choice movement. It is still either you want abortions or you don't.

Ok.

Yes they are dealt with. But this does not make it not hypocritical if you are truly pro-life. The pro-life movement is not just that. The pro-life movement wants the baby born, no matter how you slice it. And when you make an exception like that, you're declaring it's ok to kill as if it was less than a human.
That's hypocritical.


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Pro-Life has branches, some support capital punishment, I don't. Some support life extension, I don't.

Also, I stated several posts ago before this segment started, I believe a fetus is alive and shouldn't get killed whichever way you look at at it. But, if you want to make abortions illegal, there are always going to be exceptions, and I provided one, which was this. Similar to the exceptions of murder, self defense, yes?

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Ok.

By saying that you sound even more hypocritical. Saying you don't want abortions 100% yet you'd allow there to be exceptions.


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Do you support the convictions of killers? What about it self defense?

Anyway, I said I don't want abortions 100%. I then said that there were going to be exceptions. Not from me, but from others, since law is never 100% final. And I provided an example. Read my previous post again, it's not that hard to understand.

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Sure, self defense killings is fine. Regardless the situation is different.

Pro-life believes in a baby born. An excepted abortion is still killing the fetus, yes?
Still don't understand? It's not hard.


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Quote: from mikeyb at 10:25 pm on April 22, 2009

Do you support the convictions of killers? What about it self defense?

Anyway, I said I don't want abortions 100%. I then said that there were going to be exceptions. Not from me, but from others, since law is never 100% final. And I provided an example. Read my previous post again, it's not that hard to understand.


It's like when people appose the Euthanasia. I'm against it. It's still going to come up. Same with divorce. I'm against that, people still spend their time arguing about it.

I'm still against abortion, and want it fully illegal. If it does become illegal, great! Still won't stop people getting around it via life threatening circumstances. That's what I'm saying.

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Ok that's you.

And that's all the more reason it should be done safe and legally.


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Meh, if you say so.

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