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i thought that king tut was black himself?

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His skin color is unknown. He was from Egypt, and Egyptians have a very wide range of skin colors. Some of them are light enough to pass for European, and others are very dark skinned. So it's quite possible that Tut was light skinned and had some sort of prejudice against darker skinned people, perhaps even those from his own country.

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Are you trying to educate or annoy us?

This is neither here nor there on the issue of King Tut's ancestry. The Egyptian language is similarly Afro-Asiatic, and if those people are of the same ilk, perhaps there is a connection firm enough to draw a conclusion. Servants to the king, perhaps?

Quote: from Yummie Strawberries at 9:00 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

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Quote: from agerask at 10:07 pm on Jan. 5, 2009

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i thought that king tut was black himself?

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His skin color is unknown. He was from Egypt, and Egyptians have a very wide range of skin colors. Some of them are light enough to pass for European, and others are very dark skinned. So it's quite possible that Tut was light skinned and had some sort of prejudice against darker skinned people, perhaps even those from his own country.

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I think you are drawing conjecture here. We do not know if Egyptians were of differing skin tone or if they were light enough to pass for European or dark enough to pass for more southern African. All we know is that Egyptians spoke an Afro-Asiatic language and that his servants were Afro-Asiatic.

I do not think there was any prejudice as the people are presumably Afro-Asiatic, which would mean they wouldn't all be of the same tone. He is a Pharoah, perhaps he deemed himself superior to all those below him. Perhaps a caste system existed like in India.

Post edited at 11:26 pm on Jan. 5, 2009 by Takinam

Footstool - bound Semitic and Negro slaves

I'm amazed you didn't mention this:

Semitic and Negro slaves on his walking stick - most likely to "hold the enemies of Egypt in his palm."

Larger image of the sandals:

Tut's famous wooden chest.
It shows him riding a chariot and trampling the "Nine Bows" or enemies of Egypt: Blacks and Semites.

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i thought that king tut was black himself?

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"The three teams created their reconstructions separately -- the Americans and French working from a plastic skull, the Egyptians working directly from the CT scans, which could distinguish different densities of soft tissue and bone.
"The French and Egyptians knew they were recreating King Tut, but the Americans were not even told where the skull was from and correctly identified it as a Caucasoid North African, the council said in a statement.
"The results of the three teams were identical or very similar in the basic shape of the face, the size, shape and setting of the eyes, and the proportion of the skull," Hawass said.
"The French and American models, seen in photos released by the council, are similar -- with the Americans' plaster model sharing the more realistic, French silicone version's receding chin and prominent upper lip. The Egyptian reconstruction has a more prominent nose and a stronger jaw and chin."

- Forensic reconstruction of King Tut shows for the first time what boy pharaoh looked like, Associated Press, May 10, 2005, http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/05/11/special_reports/science_technology/11_16_275_10_05.txt

By the way this is the US version - notice the lack of skin color because it's impossible to know.

"Race was "the hardest call." The shape of the cranial cavity indicated an African, while the nose opening suggested narrow nostrils — a European characteristic. The skull was a North African.
The resulting plaster cast is perhaps midway between the square-jawed, high-cheekboned Egyptian Tut, and the strikingly androgynous French Tut."

- Seeing King Tut for the first time, Houston Chronicle, May 10, 2005, http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3176462

And here it says skin was just a guess!
"Sculptor Elisabeth Daynès used glass eyes and implanted hair for this reconstruction of Tutankhamun. Skin tone, which could have varied from very dark to very light, was based on an average shade of modern Egyptians"

- King Tut's New Face: Behind the Forensic Reconstruction,

National Geographic News May 11, 2005
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/photogalleries/tut_mummy/photo6.html

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occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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How does this prove he didnt like balck people?

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yes explain

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And he kind of led them.

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It could also be possible he was mixed.  

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Stuffstuffstuff.

And here it says skin was just a guess!
"Sculptor Elisabeth Daynès used glass eyes and implanted hair for this reconstruction of Tutankhamun. Skin tone, which could have varied from very dark to very light, was based on an average shade of modern Egyptians"

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I was gonna mention that, too. All anyone can do to determine what his skin color was is go "Oh, he's from Northern Egypt, so let's just slap on the middle tone for Northern Egyptians, 'cause we really don't know, and medians are always good." Pretty safe to assume he wasn't black, though. Unless he was all self loathing and shit, which is possible, I guess, but probably not. Plus, on that chest of his he's, you know, lighter.


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I was gonna mention that, too. All anyone can do to determine what his skin color was is go "Oh, he's from Northern Egypt, so let's just slap on the middle tone for Northern Egyptians, 'cause we really don't know, and medians are always good." Pretty safe to assume he wasn't black, though. Unless he was all self loathing and shit, which is possible, I guess, but probably not. Plus, on that chest of his he's, you know, lighter.

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As you know that's impossible for the same people to have such differing skin tones.

Regardless - skin does not define race and it never will.

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

They simply named some of his features.

"The features of [Tutankhamen's] face are based on scientific data. But the exact color of his skin and the size and shape of many facial details cannot be determined with full certainty."
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More evidence for inconclusive race results.

"Scientists have not been able to retrieve much DNA evidence from Tut or other mummies."
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More evidence for inconclusive race results.

"Two of the teams -- one Egyptian and one French -- knew Tut's identity, while Anton's American team did not."
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So, they reconstructed his face and made it so they could try a validation of the scientific process.

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And I don't remember Tut hatefully leading anyone against Semites and Nubians. Stop inserting your own little opinions in the topic.

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They simply named some of his features.

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Anthropologists can look at a preserved skull and tell what race it's from easily.

Let's say he WAS mixed - but that's besides the fact that:
1. His features were predominantly Caucasoid and it's safe to conclude that his genome was too.
2. There were Caucasoid people present in Egypt.
3. Some of these Caucasoid people were in the ruling class.

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More evidence for inconclusive race results.

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But no doubt he was predominantly Caucasoid.

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So, they reconstructed his face and made it so they could try a validation of the scientific process.

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And I don't remember Tut hatefully leading anyone against Semites and Nubians. Stop inserting your own little opinions in the topic.

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You can see from the pictures of his tomb!
Pictures of Negroid and Semitic slaves.
Him having the "Enemies of Egypt" (Semitic and Negroid slaves) on his walking stick.

Much evidence.

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That recreation of King Tut makes him look black. If he's white, then shit, so EW me, Lisa Bonet and all them.

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The jawbone is entirely Caucasoid in every way.
His nose isn't perfectly preserved, but there's no way it was of the average Negro.

The skin color was added and don't be a dipshit and use that as any evidence (The Americans actually ignored skin color - the picture you see with it only added it with the averages of Egyptians).

His cheekbones are of Caucasoid stock also.

That flat head is no doubt North-African Caucasoid - though many of them have mixed with Negroes over the years to give them that effect (Regardless, it's not a Negroid trait).

But I'm sure the Egyptians, French, and Americans made him look "Black" so their years of college experience can lead them to classify him as "Caucasoid." =)

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"One of the Germans... would frequently snatch a child from the
woman's arms and... tear the child in half... Such incidents...
occurred all the time." - A Year in Treblinka, Yankel Wiernik,
Treblinka's "most authoritative eyewitness"

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How does this prove he didnt like balck people?

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that

everyone who was captured by military campaign was a slave
what you happen to look like was irrelevant

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