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Replies: 24 Last Post Aug. 10 1:51pm by mellody
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( TheSte )
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First off, this is my first post in this forum Anyway, the reason i thought i'd ask this, is because this is a topic i feel very strongly about, so, i ask you LW, what do you think? Personally, i think it can be justified, read the poem 'The man he killed' - Thomas Hardy, i think. But if i were to kill someone, and i'm joining the Royal Marines, so may well become a reality, i'd say 'If i don't kill this person, he's going to kill me, and possibly other innocent people.' I wouldn't say 'An eye for an eye' works, that will just lead to an endless circle of violence. But out of military situations, back home in England, or America, could it be justified there? Heres a situation, a man has been charged with murder, under difficult circumstances, a man robbed his house, he responed with force and ending up killing said robber. Is he worse then the robber? Discuss. :D
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Themakingofagod
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I don't think killing another human being, or intelligent animal, (although that is another debate) is right. For the most part, we don't live in a society in which we are as uncivilized as to live by the rule, "an eye for an eye." We are taught to have faith in the penal system, and to let it run it's course. In self defense, where you have no other option, you have the right to defend yourself, but because so many people who have been victimized will instantly go for revenge, it doesn't always leave them to do a responsible thing. Say for example, a young woman was raped. She thinks she knows who the person is who did it, goes to his house, and blows him to dust with a shotgun. What if he didn't do it? Sure, it may have been most likely that he did it, but if he didn't, she just killed an innocent man for something he didn't do. This will also cause a lot of cases of being misused. I don't like this person, so I made something up about how they assaulted me, as an excuse to kill them. The legal system is nowhere near perfect, I will say that, but I do not see justifying murder when not in the context of self defense to be any better of a solution.
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mikeyb
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I do not believe killing is alright, manslaughter in self defense is different though. But it seems like there is quite a different between beating somebody to a pulp, and beating them to death. Mind you, if somebody approached me with a knife, I would go all out.
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Elm
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The act of killing is amoral. The reasoning behind the act could be moral, amoral, or immoral.
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bellreavue
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I generally think that killing is wrong, but if the man's motive was to defend himself, and not kill the robber, then he's alright. I think the ideal circumstance would be to call the police and let them deal with it, instead of getting involved yourself. I realize this would be impossible in some situations, but it's just a thought.
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Selfishly
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For the most part, I agree with "Themakingofagod". I do not think that under any circumstances should someone be killed by someone else. It happens all the time though, and it makes me disappointed. However, even though I believe that killing a person is wrong, I do not think that the punishment of the death penalty is any better, though that's another debate on it's own.
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Elm
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Quote: from Selfishly at 12:19 am on June 1, 2009
For the most part, I agree with "Themakingofagod". I do not think that under any circumstances should someone be killed by someone else. It happens all the time though, and it makes me disappointed. However, even though I believe that killing a person is wrong, I do not think that the punishment of the death penalty is any better, though that's another debate on it's own.
So you believe nobody has the right to defend themselves or their loved ones from harm caused by an aggressor?
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mountain hare
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Quote: from bellreavue at 7:00 pm on May 26, 2009
I generally think that killing is wrong, but if the man's motive was to defend himself, and not kill the robber, then he's alright.
Why wouldn't I want to kill a worthless scumbag who tried to steal my stuff using violence? Any individual who can't survive in the first world with all the government handouts is a worthless dysgenic scumbag who needs to be driven to the grave posthaste. By all rights, I should be able to impale their corpse outside my house to deter any future would-be robbers.
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matto
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I think it's important to remember -- whether or not one believes in it, because I myself probably don't to a large extent -- that original beliefs of most religions state extremely clearly that killing is wrong, and that loving thy neighbor(s) is a requirement in order for everyone to get along. Religion has been grotesquely treated in recent times, being used as reason FOR mass killing, when in fact its pure form is a set moral guidelines, one of which includes the constant law that killing is always wrong. Personally, I know that we don't live in an ideal society, and situations may occur in which there is no other choice, their life or yours. However, I believe that this has to do with many of society's flaws in the current moment, and that these can be fixed with cooperation, and that violence simply spreads the problem. So no, I don't think killing can ever be called right.
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butterflygrl2005
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I think that if people have to resort to it as the completely last resort, it is only human nature to do so. However, if someone is able to prevent the murder of another being, I think that it does make them worser off. The key detail is if the force he used was required or if he overdid it. Survival is an instinct, and complete pacifism is not always the answer.
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