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What is more important in life?
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An ideal environment and life 11 61%
Liberty 7 38%
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A straightforward question, is the quality of life more important than the ability to decide how to live it?

Of course, you can't have absolute either way, and extremes will end up disrupting the other, but in general, what is more important?

The closest analogy would be who lives a better life, the dog or the wolf, and why?

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Who says you can't have both? I don't understand why one can't coexist with the other really? Also how does the wolf/dog analogy fit here?

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If you are given the ideal life with everything handed to you and you were oblivious to the fact that you have no freedom then I'd say that would be the better outcome.

On the other hand, if you are aware that you have no choices then the yearning to do things on your own would ruin your perception of a perfect life. Therefore, the ability to decide how to live your life would be more important to the individual.

I think it comes down to whether  you know that you are being caged in a dream world or not.

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Quote: from SpRiNgS at 2:48 pm on May 30, 2009
Who says you can't have both? I don't understand why one can't coexist with the other really? Also how does the wolf/dog analogy fit here?

The analogy goes that the dog lives a content and happy lifestyle, but has no choice, the wolf can go starving, but at least has the freedom to do what it chooses.

Because in order for EVERYONE to have a high standard of living, you must deduct from everyone's freedom, and to have more freedom, is at the expense of people who require more aid.

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Quote: from The Last Magister at 12:53 pm on May 30, 2009
Quote: from SpRiNgS at 2:48 pm on May 30, 2009
Who says you can't have both? I don't understand why one can't coexist with the other really? Also how does the wolf/dog analogy fit here?

The analogy goes that the dog lives a content and happy lifestyle, but has no choice, the wolf can go starving, but at least has the freedom to do what it chooses.

Because in order for EVERYONE to have a high standard of living, you must deduct from everyone's freedom, and to have more freedom, is at the expense of people who require more aid.

So in other words the poll is off in what it states?

so it's happiness in obliviousness or hell but awareness

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No, it's the ideal surroundings, but no choice, or greater choice but poor surroundings.

Happiness is perceived, not given, I'm saying the environment around them(ie, taken care of, mutual aid, etc.)

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Quote: from The Last Magister at 12:57 pm on May 30, 2009
No, it's the ideal surroundings, but no choice, or greater choice but poor surroundings.

Happiness is perceived, not given, I'm saying the environment around them(ie, taken care of, mutual aid, etc.)

I know what you meant but still, the dog is oblivious to his situation

i'm guessing i'd rather be the wild animal. I mean it's the same things, just outdoors

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Quote: from SpRiNgS at 8:48 pm on May 30, 2009
Who says you can't have both? I don't understand why one can't coexist with the other really? Also how does the wolf/dog analogy fit here?

the wolf is free to roam. It sometime's goes without food, but it is free. A dog is a domesticated wolf. It always has food, but has to stay with their owner.

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Quote: from Marty3 at 1:01 pm on May 30, 2009
Quote: from SpRiNgS at 8:48 pm on May 30, 2009
Who says you can't have both? I don't understand why one can't coexist with the other really? Also how does the wolf/dog analogy fit here?

the wolf is free to roam. It sometime's goes without food, but it is free. A dog is a domesticated wolf. It always has food, but has to stay with their owner.
already explained

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I would choose liberty, even if it meant a harder life.

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Liberty. It's not a direct analog, but I'm going to pull out one of the arguments regarding Utilitarianism, used to distinguish between higher and lower order goods. Essentially, a more intellectual or complex pursuit or end is going to be more valuable than a lower or simpler good.
Alternatively, who would you rather be - the village idiot who lives a happy ignorant life, or the professor who pursues difficult and complex research but lives poorly.

I think the same reasons we would choose the professor apply here. Liberty is more fulfilling, even if the life is harder.

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For me, an ideal environment would include liberty, so it's hard to say which is more important.
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