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Replies: 27Last Post Dec. 4, 2009 4:57am by Prince o palities
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So You Think You Came From Goo!?

You think we came from clay. At least OUR stuff is organic. Oh, and no. It wasn't goo.

Conclusion: Your momma, bitch.

(Edited by Shuichi at 2:43 am on June 4, 2006)

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How Could We Have So Much Diversity Unless God Created Everything?

A diversity of life springs from a diversity of environments and situations in which it must survive. A diversity of environments is due to the a dizzying array of factors from the distance of the sun and the pull of the moon to the temperature of the earth's core and its rotation speed.

(Edited by Shuichi at 2:43 am on June 4, 2006)

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Worldly Logic vs. Heavenly Logic

This is one we'll see every so often. This allows the Christian in question to utterly ignore reason because "worldly logic < heavenly logic". Here's a newsflash. There is no heavenly and worldly logic. There's just logic. Or, alternatively, since God created our brains and the laws that govern the universe, one could argue that all logic is heavenly logic. But I won't.

Logic is logic is logic. There's is no difference in how worldly and heavenly logic work. People with "worldly" logic and people with "heavenly" logic just accept different truths and operate in the same manner. The problem is that people using "worldly" logic can show you where their truths came from and provide proof and validation for them. Heavenly logic has a damn hard time with that. Since it is all the same logic, and you can't just use something without proof and expect the result to be logical... well, sucks, don't it?

Conclusion: There's only one kind of logic, you massive fucktard.

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Christianity is evil. Look at the Crusades, the Inquisition!

This is interesting because the same people who will rant about original sin being unfair because you can't blame someone for something their forebears did will bring this up. Well, what about it, hypocrisy lad? You up for answering the challenge?

Regardless, I don't see this as a matter of Christianity being bad. If one gets to the heart of Christianity, it is about love and forgiveness. But, as Gandhi said, Christians are so unlike Christ. It is a matter of human nature, to be honest with you. Things like the Crusades and the Inquisiton would happen with or without religion. Their natures would be different, but the destruction would be just as nasty. People will quarrel, people will fight, people will die. Removing reasons for war is just an excuse to find new reasons a lot of times.

The mere fact that an atheist would offer these arguments is proof that Christianity and religion is not to blame. Stupidity exists independent of any conception of a spiritual reality.

Conclusion: Shut the hell up you idiot. My poor half-dead ferret could probably run fucking circles around you when it comes to a history debate. Hell, the dead one could probably give you a run for your money.

(Edited by Shuichi at 2:39 am on June 4, 2006)

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Fetuses are not humans.

Idiots often use this to justify abortion. Now, I am not going to turn this into an abortion debate (and, by the way, that's the only restriction I place on this thread. Don't turn it into an abortion debate)

The species of an organism is determined by its DNA. A fetus has human DNA. Case closed, a fetus is a human being. You can say it isn't a person and try to justify that, but don't try this argument, Okay?

Conclusion: This demonstrates such a glaring lack of scientific knowledge I have to wonder how many times you repeated the first grade and how long it took you to get to your current lofty position in the third grade.

(Edited by Shuichi at 2:40 am on June 4, 2006)

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Christians are assholes.

Bigots are douchebags. We'll play this game if you want. Calling all Christians assholes because some people were bugging you outside the mall or some Jehova's Witnesses came to your door with free bibles is akin to calling all people of African descent dirty criminals because I drove by Temple University in Philly and saw the surrounding neighborhood. Using this argument is making a vast generalization and makes you no better than a racist. Congratulations, you just placed yourself on a pedastal with a number of prominent KKK leaders and even ol' Hitler. Except you're probably not a genius when it comes to public speaking and oods are good you couldn't revitalize the economy of a wartorn nation to save your life. Wow, look at that. You're worse than Hitler.

Conclusion: For shame, you sub-Hitler monster!

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My Life Blows, God Must Hate Me

First off, I say this to anyone who thinks this: You're a moron. With that out of the way, let's continue, shall we? I don't care how bad your life is. Not in the sense that I'm about to make a comparison saying someone else is worse off, in the sense that I honestly do not care. Okay, that's not true. I'll probably sympathize if you're having a bad time, and I might offer words of comfort assuming you aren't being an ass. Also, I lied when I claimed I wouldn't say someone else is worse off.

People are worse off. People have been worse off. If you think your petty problems, no matter how horrible they may seem to you, are products of God's hate, you have absolutely no perspective.

Now, we'll go on to the select few who actually have had lives so horrific that they can only attribute it to divine grudges, rather than the aforementioned "I'm a drug addict and my boyfriend is moving away so God must hate me because I chose to do drugs and my boyfriend's family decided to move" folks.

Your argument is valid to use if you're talking to someone who believes that God orchestrates every moment of our insignificant lives. If not, you're probably talking to someone who believes that the world operates by certain natural laws and probabilities that mean certain people are going to get the short end of the stick. In the latter case, this argument is similar to the "The bible says..." argument in that it means nothing to the person you're talking to.

Conclusion: In most cases it is you that blows and no He doesn't, respectively.

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If God Exists, Why Is There Death/Suffering

Suffering is a rather unfortunate side-affect of your nervous system, and life has a 100% mortality rate. Deal with it. Anyway, my common answer is: You honestly expect God, should He exist, to intervene in every single person's life and fix all those problems? Heck, if I was God, I'd probably let that stuff happen. Mostly because I'd have perspective that spans the length and breadth of eternity and your suffering would be less than even the tiniest fraction of an eyeblink you could think of. Heaven is where it's at, folks. :p

Conclusion: Because, you whiny asshole.

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Welcome to the Religion and Philosophy forum. - from britishguy.

This forum is a place where Livewire members can discuss issues in a community of people who share a variety of religious beliefs and perspectives. For the most part, members seem to consist of Christians (of all denominations) and ATheists, though there are certainly other members who represent Islam and agnosticism, as well as other major world religions and more individual religious beliefs.

The purpose of this forum is twofold, as the title suggests: Religion and Philosophy.

The forum is frequented by both athiests and theists, who will provide criticism of each other, so arguments and debate are to be expected, especially given the highly perosnal nature of many of the opinions expressed by both sides. Try to keep it respectful. Remember that theists are entitled to an opinion on and will comment on apparently atheistic topics and atheists will have opinions on, and will comment on apparently theistic issues.

This forum is one of the most controversial in terms of the debates that occur. If you are offended by a comment made by another member then please raise the issue with them using the PM system in order to try and avoid the involvement of others. Please remember that you are not obliged either to read a topic or reply, and that if you find something offesive you can simply close your browser.

Equally, this forum is not to become a place for unwarranted or malicious criticism of people whose beliefs differ from your own. Criticism is one thing, abuse is another. Again, try and resolve the matter via PM if you experience problems of this kind, or ask a moderator to speak to the person involved, and try to resolve the situation amicably.

In general, expect to find both support and criticism throughout this forum. Be aware that it is subject to the same rules concerning language as the other boards and that swearing is neither completely prohibited nor tolerated in excess. If you really object then in a thread that you have created you can request that people refrain from using profanity.

(Edited by Shuichi at 3:07 am on June 4, 2006)

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Terms You Should Know

Agnosticism - an intellectual doctrine or attitude affirming the uncertainty of all claims to ultimate knowledge; the belief that one is incapable of knowing whether or not there is a deity.

Apocrypha - a group of 14 books, not considered canonical, included in the Septuagint and the Vulgate as part of the Old Testament, but usually omitted from Protestant editions of the Bible.

Apologetics - the field of study concerned with the defense or proof of Christianity

Atheism - the absence of a belief in god.

Deontology - the ethical system which holds that morality is decided by a criteria or entity independent of the effect of the action.

Dharma - in Hinduism and Buddhism, the principle of virtue which orders the entire universe.

Catholic - an adherent to the Roman Catholic faith as represented by the Doctors of the Church, canon law, and the pope.

Ethics - the prescriptive study of morality; the study of how we determine what is right and wrong.

Evangelical or Evangelicalism - a subdivision of Christianity that typically refers to Christians who hold to the ultimate authority of scripture over church administration, the need for personal conversion, the need to impart Jesus into other by way of evangelism or social reform, and an emphasis on the work of Jesus on the cross as the means by which people are saved.

Exegesis - critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text with respect to its literary, social, and historical context.

Fundamentalist - strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles or, specific to Christianity, anyone adhering to the total infallibility of a strictly literal translation of the Bible.

Gnosticism - a group of ancient heresies, stressing escape from this world through the acquisition of cryptic knowledge, responsible for the production of the so called "Gnostic gospels."

Hadith - traditional account of things said or done by Muhammad or his companions or, if used plurally, the whole body of these accounts.

Jihad - from the Arabic for struggle, it refers both to the Muslim's struggle for self perfection as well as a holy war or struggle against the infidels.

Karma - in Hinduism, Buddhism, and other religions, the cosmic principle where each person is rewarded or punished according to that person's deeds either in this life or a future incarnation.

Nirvana - a state of perpetual freedom from pain, worry, and attachment entered into by Buddhists who have achieved enlightenment and broken the cycle of reincarnation.

Pantheism - a religious or philosophical belief that equates god with the entirety of the universe represented in everything

Philosophy - the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.

Polemics - the practice of theological argumentation to refute errors of doctrine.

Protestant - any church which descended from a religious belief that broke away from the Roman Catholic Church during the Reformation.

Pseudepigrapha - A body of texts written between 200 B.C. and A.D. 200 and falsely ascribed to various prophets and kings of Hebrew Scriptures.

Reincarnation - the belief that a person's essence enters into and becomes another form upon their death and is then born again into a new incarnation.

Religion - a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe typically, but not universally, involving belief in the supernatural, ritualistic observances, and a specific ethical system to determine the morality of behavior.

Sanctification - the process by which a person is made pure or holy according to the particular statutes of said person's religion.

Shi'ite - a member of the branch of Islam that regards Ali and his descendants as the legitimate successors to Muhammad and rejects the first three caliphs.

Spirituality - beliefs pertaining to the immaterial or spiritual aspects of the world.

Sunni - a member of one of the two great religious divisions of Islam, regarding the first four caliphs as legitimate successors of Muhammad and stressing the importance of Sunna as a basis for law.

Talmud - the collection of ancient Rabbinic writings consisting of the Mishnah and the Gemara, constituting the basis of religious authority in Orthodox Judaism.

Theology - the field of study that focuses on the nature and will of a particular deity.

Torah - another name for the Pentateuch or first five books of the Jewish Bible or Christian Old Testament.

Utilitarianism - the ethical system which holds that the moral action is determined by an evaluation of what is best for the greatest number of people.

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Christianity Resources


Informational Resources

  • Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry - gives answers to common criticisms of Christianity, tests the validity of other religions against Christianity, and examines "hot-button" issues within Christianity.

  • Evidence for God - claims to give evidence for God from science, and focuses mainly on combating atheism, agnosticism, and deism.

  • Barna Group - a research and resource company specializing in the intersection of faith and culture; gives research and statistics for culturally relevant Christian questions and includes a section dedicated to teen issues.

  • Answering Islam - polemical articles directed against Islam by Christians.

  • Bible Gateway or The Net Bible - online Bibles that offer keyword searches, passage searches, commentaries, and critical study tools.

  • New Advent or Christian Classics Ethereal Library - full texts of important documents of the Christian faith including many Church Fathers, Reformers, Christian preachers, and Christian thinkers, as well as the Catholic Encyclopedia.

  • Catechism of the Catholic Church - searchable full text of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Support Resources

  • Jesus Freak Hideout - mostly focused on the Christian music industry, but which includes a prayer request feature and a message board to share edifying stories of faith.

  • XXX Church - dedicated to helping Christians maintain sexual purity, they provide help for overcoming issues with premarital sex and pornography addiction.

  • Surf in the Spirit - advice specifically targeted at Christian teens including topics about tobacco, drugs, depression, modesty, abstinence, and more.

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Atheism Resources*

*Special thanks to Moridin for compiling and annotating this list.

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Islam Resources

  • Islam.com - a general directory for articles, calenders, terms, and forums for Muslims.

  • Islam World and Al-Islam - directories of articles on a variety of topics as well as common questions about Islam both for Muslims and non-Muslims.

  • A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam - an online book that deals largely with Muslim apologetics, both from science and personal benefits, including a section on general information about Islam

  • Why Islam.org - pages on a number of pressing modern issues such as Islam in America, Islam and Terrorism/Jihad, Islamic ethics, Islam and addiction, the status of women in Islam, and Islam and Christianity.

  • Islam Q&A - extensive list of FAQs about Islam with answers in the form of short articles available in multiple languages

  • Quran Explorer - parallel English and Arabic text of the Qur'an

  • University of Souther California: Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement - searchable Qur'an and Hadith

  • Sound Vision - Teen Page - articles for teens about issues that face them specifically as Muslims

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