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Quote: from bekkikins at 3:06 pm on June 1, 2008
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Quote: from Phoenix27 at 7:29 am on June 1, 2008
Evolution has been proven to be real in the laboratory. Religion has not. /thread 
The question is, why does it have to be? You're just pussing out on the stimulating conversation behind it.
There is no factual proof that Christianity is a hoax. Plus, half the stuff scientists say is full of lies. They bend the truth to look like they've done something.
I already stated that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Adaptation has been seen hundreds of times. Species of deer with more fur due to migration into colder climates, as well as many others. Life has existed on this planet for BILLIONS of years. More than enough time for adaptations to occur that eventually lead to evolutions. Without Science, life expectancies would be MUCH lower than they are now. Science has given you almost everything. That computer you're using, the TV that you watch, the car you drive. Yes. Science is wrong at some points, or rather scientists. But Darwinian Evolution has been seen in laboratories numerous times as well as in the real world. Sorry, but evolution is a real occurrence.
That is false! Fact is, evolution can only occur with mutations. Darwin tried to prove that mutation is a positive thing, which is false! I'll find the video.
Actually, there are 50+ different source for variation besides "mutation" as the term is commonly used. 1) single point mutations
2) deletion and insertion ("frame shift") mutations
3) inversion and translocation mutations
4) changes in promoter or terminator sequences (increasing or decreasing binding)
5) changes in repressor binding (in prokaryotes); increasing or decreasing binding to operator sites
6) changes in repressor binding (in prokaryotes); increasing or decreasing binding to inducers
7) changes in repressor binding (in prokaryotes); increasing or decreasing binding to corepressors
8) changes in activation factor function in eukaryotes (increasing or decreasing binding to promoters)
9) changes in intron length, location, and/or editing by changes in specificity of SNRPs
10) changes in interference/antisense RNA regulation (increasing or decreasing binding to sense RNAs)
11) changes in substrates or products of biochemical pathways
12) addition or removal of gene products (especially enzymes) from biochemical pathways
13) splitting or combining of biochemical pathways
14) addition or alteration of pleiotropic effects, especially in response to changes in other genes/traits
15) gene duplication within chromosomes
16) gene duplication in multiple chromosomes
17) inversions involving one or more genes in one chromosome
18) translocations involving one or more genes between two or more chromosomes
19) deletion/insertion of one or more genes via transposons
20) fusion of two or more chromosomes or chromosome fragments
21) fission of one chromosome into two or more fragments
22) changes in chromosome number via nondisjunction (aneuploidy)
23) changes in chromosome number via autopolyploidy (especially in plants)
24) changes in chromosome number via allopolyploidy (especially in plants)
Eukaryotic Chromosome Function
25) changes in regulation of multiple genes in a chromosome as a result of the foregoing structural changes
26) changes in gene expression as result of DNA methylation
27) changes in gene expression as result of changes in DNA-histone binding
28) the exchange of non-identical genetic material between two or more individuals (i.e. sex)
29) lateral gene transfer via plasmids and episomes (especially in prokaryotes)
30) crossing-over (reciprocal and non-reciprocal) between sister chromatids in meiosis
31) crossing-over (non-reciprocal) between sister chromatids in mitosis
32) Mendelian independent assortment during meiosis
33) hybridization
34) genome reorganization and/or reintegration
35) partial or complete genome duplication
36) partial or complete genome fusion
37) changes in tempo and timing of gene regulation, especially in eukaryotes
38) changes in homeotic gene regulation in eukaryotes
39) genetic imprinting, especially via hormone-mediated DNA methylation
40) partial or complete endosymbiosis
41) partial or complete incorporation of unrelated organisms as part of developmental pathways (especially larval forms)
42) changes in presence or absence of mutualists, commensals, and/or parasites
43) changes in behavioral anatomy, histology, and/or physiology in response to changes in biotic community
44) changes in behavioral anatomy, histology, and/or physiology in response to changes in abiotic environment
45) learning (including effects of use and disuse)
46) changes in anatomy, histology, and/or physiology in response to changes in biotic community
47) changes in anatomy, histology, and/or physiology in response to changes in abiotic environment http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2007/10/rm-ns-creationist-and-id-strawman.html Post edited at 12:47 pm on June 1, 2008 by Moridin
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I'm sure that no one understands my point in posting this thread, so I'm not going to argue about evolution. Also, isn't there already a thread on creationism vs. evolution? I believe so. Even though the title is "Darwin was a fucking idiot", that doesn't mean I meant for this topic to be about proof on evolution.
I meant it to be directed towards Christianity and the fact that ME, as a teenage girl close to ignorant on the subject of Christianity, can explain the 10 questions that some dolt was asking, and his only explanation was "God is imaginary."
Basically, I'm still standing on my beliefs that scientists are liars, and you're all believing them.
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Quote: from bekkikins at 11:10 pm on June 1, 2008
I'm sure that no one understands my point in posting this thread, so I'm not going to argue about evolution. Also, isn't there already a thread on creationism vs. evolution? I believe so. Even though the title is "Darwin was a fucking idiot", that doesn't mean I meant for this topic to be about proof on evolution.
I meant it to be directed towards Christianity and the fact that ME, as a teenage girl close to ignorant on the subject of Christianity, can explain the 10 questions that some dolt was asking, and his only explanation was "God is imaginary."
Basically, I'm still standing on my beliefs that scientists are liars, and you're all believing them.
So you think that all scientists and the majority of Christians and theologians are liars? What evidence do you have for this? Can you reply to my debunking of your claims or provide evidence for creationism itself? If not, we can dismiss your claim out of hand.
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Quote: from nullPointerException at 2:33 pm on June 1, 2008
According to the new testament, the world is flat, everything revolves around the earth, and the universe is 5000 years old.
Do you have any passages/verses from the New Testament to verify any of these statements?
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According to the new testament, the world is flat, everything revolves around the earth, and the universe is 5000 years old.
Do you have any passages/verses from the New Testament to verify any of these statements?
For real. I've never heard that before. Never read that before. You should probably actually physically get up and look in a Bible for stuff like that before you state it.
Nice that you completely ignore my refutations of your lies.
Me, lying?
How is that so?
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Quote: from Moridin at 6:47 pm on June 1, 2008
Address my points or accept defeat.
Is that the official criteria for victory and defeat?
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Quote: from Moridin at 7:47 pm on June 1, 2008
Quote: from bekkikins at 2:08 am on June 2, 2008
Quote: from Moridin at 6:49 pm on June 1, 2008
Your lies are exposed here: http://golivewire.com/forums/peer-ittasy-support-a.html#15
So does that explain how the fuck I'm LYING?
Just because we have different views and opinions and proof, that doesn't make me a liar. I believe that most of what you're telling me is invalid.
That doesn't mean you're lying. Stop throwing insults around. This is supposed to be an INTELLIGENT discussion, not an immature bitchfest.
It is not that we have different opinions, it is that your opinions are falsehoods and mine are a valid representation of reality. Address my points or accept defeat.
I do not believe so.
I will most definitely prove you wrong, I just need a bit, as I DO actually have a bit of a life. Just because I can't research that shit on the spot doesn't make you right. I'm a busy person, and if you respect my challenge, then you should wait.
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Quote: from bekkikins at 4:35 am on June 1, 2008
Quote: from Phoenix27 at 7:29 am on June 1, 2008
Evolution has been proven to be real in the laboratory. Religion has not. /thread
The question is, why does it have to be? You're just pussing out on the stimulating conversation behind it.
There is no factual proof that Christianity is a hoax. Plus, half the stuff scientists say is full of lies. They bend the truth to look like they've done something.
I already stated that.
There's also no evidence to prove that a flying unicorn in space is a hoax. So by then by your logic, that makes my unicorn as credible as Christianity. Post edited at 10:26 pm on June 1, 2008 by Tru7h004
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