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Well i guess it depends on the severity of the selfish persons, to love yourself and want to help yourself is one thing, but to demand people agree with you and do things like you is quite another, to consider yourself better and more worthy then all others is not what i would call good man.

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As I wrote earlier, selfishness is NOT evil or immoral, regardless of its "severity", as you put it.  Your point seems to be addressing something OTHER than selfishness--specifically the idea that one's own desires should trump the freedoms of others.  This is NOT an ideal held by a libertarian.

A libertarian does NOT demand others to agree with him.  Rather, he demands that HE not be forced to agree with others if he does not so wish.

For example, a libertarian does not believe that he should be forced to use the fruits of his productivity to provide for others.  That is not to say that he won't engage in charitable giving, or that he wants to prevent others from giving.  He just doesn't want to be FORCED to do it.

Similarly, a libertarian will generally support liberties such as gay marriage/civil unions, decriminalization of drugs, restaurants/bars permitting smoking, etc.; however, a libertarian is NOT in favor of being forced to ACCEPT those livestyles as normal, healthy, or appropriate.  Remember, there is a difference between "tolerance" and "acceptance"--for example, you will probably tolerate a crying baby in a restaurant, but that doesn't mean you have to find it acceptable for a parent to have a crying baby in a restaurant.

Think of a libertarian as someone who says, "You do your thing, and I'll do mine."

I'm kind of tired, so hopefully there aren't too many grammatical or spelling errors to keep this from making sense.

Edit: I guess the big point I'm trying to make is that selfishness (regardless of the "severity") is not bad at all. Any supposed problem with selfishness ACTUALLY lies with WHAT people choose to view as being in their self interest (e.g., a socialist believing that he is entitled to the fruits of someone else's creativity or production, a fascist believing that a certain ideology must be forced upon people, etc.). But selfishness is NEVER bad.

Post edited at 9:19 pm on June 17, 2008 by mikeg80

i feel like most of them are 19 year old men who want to get rich but also smoke weed all the time

Post edited at 9:22 pm on June 17, 2008 by Charolastra

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y'all nukhuhs that be aight wit dat bullshiiit, just hit us up mang

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'capital l' Libertarians

 
i feel like most of them are 19 year old men who want to get rich but also smoke weed all the time

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Hahahaha!

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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means
What you think it means." -Inigo Montoya

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'capital l' Libertarians

 
i feel like most of them are 19 year old men who want to get rich but also smoke weed all the time

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maybe that's why i'm so selfish, i don't have much to gain

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being selfish doesn't make you gain anything. you'll end up alone and a loser. You'll find that out one day

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Said the internet dweller.

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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means
What you think it means." -Inigo Montoya

Post edited at 1:51 am on June 22, 2008 by jakelong

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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Quote: from jakelong at 12:12 am on June 19, 2008

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being selfish doesn't make you gain anything. you'll end up alone and a loser. You'll find that out one day

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Said the internet dweller.

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Post whores like Apothesis and abs are the total poster boys for lonely selfish losers.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP